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DE Michael Johnson thoughts

There as been much talk about our defensive needs.  Compiling most thoughts on the subject, one would assume we almost need an entirely new defense with "needs" at the DE, DT, LB, & SS positions.  Some of it is simply just a need for depth moreso than outright positions to be filled.  So, after looking through most of the comments and posts I thought I might throw out an idea that as far as I can see, has yet to be mentioned for the DE position.

Star-divide

DE Michael Johnson is an option to look at for either the DE or the OLB position.  I think we would be much better suited at DE, but he has worked out at the OLB position and openly commented that he would not be opposed to moving to that position.

Of course, the problem is that we already have Anderson at the DE spot opposite Abraham and I'm sure that management are not ready to close the book on Anderson.  If anything, Johnson could be picked up for more depth now and possibly become the permanent solution in the next year or two.

If looking at moving him to OLB, then it wouldn't be a difficult transition for him as he performed many OLB duties while playing under Gailey at Ga Tech, such as zone coverage against TE's and RB's.

 Either way, here's a few non-subjective numbers from '08 to chew on(per cfbstats):

Tackles
GSoloAssistedTotalTotal/G
13    28        18     46      3.54
<!-- player-home --> Tackles For Loss
GTFLTFL YardsTFL/G
13  17.5             99     1.35
<!-- player-home --> Sacks
GSacksSack YardsSacks/G
13      9.0           85 0.69

Per the AJC:

Johnson dazzled the crowd of more than 40 NFL executives and personnel men Monday, including Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff, head coach Mike Smith,...

"There is no surprise that Michael Johnson is a heck of an athlete, a heck of a physical specimen," Dimitroff said. "Things will work out very well for him well in the National Football League,..."

 Now for my personal opinions.  As a fan of both the Falcons and GT, would I like for him to be a member of the Falcons come next fall?  Absolutely.  Unfortunately I just don't see this happening.  He's being pegged as a late first round to high second round pick, so I don't see how he would fit into what I perceive to be the plan of attack come draft time*.  We would have to take him with our first rounder, if he's even there.  Basically, I don't think he is going to be there for us in the first, but if we passed on him then, I still don't think he would be there by the time we got to our second round pick.

*Of course, I should note here that almost none of us had the same plan as TD & Co. this time last year, so I could be wrong again.  I'm sure Matty Ice forgives us all.

Also, as I mentioned above, I don't think the book as been closed on Anderson yet.  Drafting Johnson would essentially put the writing on the wall for Anderson.  Moving Johnson to OLB could work, but it's also a major risk and I'm not one to favor drafting a guy just to move him to a different position that what he is currently comfortable at.  I could buy into the 'for the future' reasoning behind taking him, or trading away Anderson to make room for Johnson, but I'm also sure some would argue that Johnson fits the same mold that Anderson did coming out of college.

While TD's plans are never clear, one thing is and that is TD & Co are obviously weighing all of their options.  At least that's what I draw from the above quotes.  I think we can all agree that that is never a bad thing.  Either way, I just thought I would throw it out there for discussion.

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Being a Tech student, and having watched MJ play closely for the past four years, I don’t think I’d waste such a high pick on him. He takes plays off. When he is engaged by the offensive tackle, he quite simply gives up a lot of the time. He is a one-of-a-kind physical specimen, and his speed off the edge helps him beat his man a lot, but he doesn’t make too many plays after being hit. The ceiling for Johnson is high, and I’m definitely pulling for him, but I don’t think (for now at least) that he would be any upgrade from Anderson.

To Hell With Georgia!

by tgriffith3 on Mar 10, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

We could always trade up in the 2nd round ...

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Mar 10, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Needs are greater at TE, DT, S, CB

To go after him. I’ve seen him dominate in the ACC as a ‘Nole season ticket holder (glad we only had to face him once). I’m not down on him like the NFL Networks guys are though. Glad they don’t have GM jobs.

by g state ben on Mar 10, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

...

He reminds me a lot of Jamaal Anderson in college…

Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested...Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll.

by iRonin on Mar 11, 2009 2:14 AM EDT reply actions  

That's going below the belt.

:(

"If the Falcons ever manage to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, I'll french kiss a toilet." - a friend.

by Adam Schultz on Mar 11, 2009 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

They kind of seem like the opposite IMO ...

We knew Anderson was a solid against the run/needed work as a pass rusher. From what I’ve read, Johnson is a solid pass rusher, but he struggles against the run.

But maybe you weren’t referring to their skill sets.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Mar 11, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I was referring to the idea of the “great raw physical specimen DE.” Not a lot of starting experience, exploded on the scene in his last year, but there are some question marks, but the athlete is, overall, pretty impressive.

Just reminds me of all the stuff I heard when we drafted JA98

Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested...Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll.

by iRonin on Mar 11, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Mar 11, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd be a DE

Johnson is 266 already. With NFL strength coaching, he’s gonna get to 280 at least by the time the ‘09 season starts. You’re not gonna see him at WOLB at that weight, and he doesn’t have the open field tackling ability to play the SOLB. He’d be the SDE in our def, probably playing at 285 with that speed. Great first step…might be away to appease the GT fan base after we dumped Brooking. We sure a heck appease the UGA fan base every year. BTW, if we draft the CB Allen from UGA higher than the 5th round I’ll start to doubt TD. Sorry for the blasphemy….

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Mar 12, 2009 6:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Good points

And ones I have made before. I never do undersatnd why the Falcons routinely draft UGA players as they never amount to anything. You would think that Brooking’s success would have them leaning more towards GT.

But back to the point of my post. I didn’t bring him up until I read that we had three people at GT’s pro day to look at and interview him. I just thought it was intriguing and worth mentioning as another option to fill a hole or add depth at the DE position. I think he is going to be a good DE for somebody, and with JA not really getting it done, I think he would be a nice fit for the Falcons. I just don’t see how we could get it done considering where we are picking.

by Jesse28 on Mar 12, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What UGA players have we drafted recently other than Thomas Brown, Martrez Milner, and DJ Shockley?

Sure we haven’t drafted many players from GT, but the truth is, their football teams have been pretty horrible up until this past year. UGA just has better NFL players, especially because they run a pro-style offense.

by acie4mvp on Mar 12, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are who I am refering to.

Plus, I was only jabbing a little for fun. When it comes to the Falcons, I don’t care where you played in college. You could play for a D-III school for all I care, so long as you can produce for my Dirty Birds.

But GT’s football team has not been horrible for quite some time. If anything they have been consistently good over the last decade winning 7-8 games every year, and only winning 9 this past season. UGA has not had better NFL players, maybe the same, but definitely not better. The last UGA players to really do much of anything since Hines Ward are Champ, Stroud, and Seymour, so it’s not like UGA players are setting the NFL on fire. GT also ran a pro-style offense for the last seven years under Gailey, so there’s no difference there. This past season under Johnson is the first year running the flexbone spread offense.

Finally, NFL teams don’t draft college teams, they draft college players. Even on the worst teams you can still find NFL caliber players. Has UGA had consistently better college teams, sure, but that doesn’t mean they churn out better NFL players than GT.

But really, this is all moot and besides the point. Like I said, I just wanted to throw out Johnson’s name for discussion since TD & Co were at GT’s pro day. I don’t see us picking him and I don’t think anyone else does either so it’s pretty much a dead issue.

by Jesse28 on Mar 13, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree ...

Look at Owens (as in Butt Face) and Rice (as in Jerry).

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Mar 13, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you trying to tell me

that Johnathan Sullivan hasn’t done anything? You can substitute average for horrible. I’m not really trying to spark anything here, but I just think it seems that UGA has more NFL-ready players than GT. I was also trying to say that since Tech is switching to the option, or has switched, they may have fewer NFL-ready players. It’s 3 in the morning and I have no idea if any of this actually made sense

by acie4mvp on Mar 14, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

you forgot..

Quite possibly the most successful of any UGA player out there. Benjamin Watson.

by csihammerback on Mar 25, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hhmmmm

we could splice Jamaal Anderson’s DNA together with Micheal Johnson’s DNa to make the ultimate DE! his name would be Julius Peppers

by TheFranchiseis#2 on Mar 13, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I think...

…that you may have talent and skill confused. They both have the talent, it’s a matter of if they can harness that and convert it into true skill.

by Jesse28 on Mar 18, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

back to uga

dont down my dogs hines ward is an amazing player and d.j shockley is one of the fastest quarterbacks in the NFL and thomas brown averaged 7 yards a carry in pre-season knoshawns goingt to be a super star and exactly what georgia tech player is in the running for for first overall pick oh yeah none im sorry to get testy but uga got my blood flowing
oh ps i wrote this in 32 secs yeah im juiced

by mistab50 on Mar 14, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Understandable ...

but I’m not sure how much credence Shock or T Brown (so far) bring to your argument.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Mar 14, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

None at all.

Shockley as the fastest QB in the NFL? Haha, maybe the year he was drafted, but he’s blown both knees since coming out and has lost a lot. Seriously, he couldn’t beat JJ Harrington, Redman, or Leftwhich for the starting job.

Thomas Brown average 7 yds/carry in pre-season, against fourth string practice squad members, if that. Who get’s drafted number one is has nothing to do with the school they went to. It has more to do with the lucky combination of the position they play combined with what team gets the first pick.

See, this is why you can’t use the location of a player’s college career as a defacto measuring stick to evaluate them and why as a fan you have to know when to let that go. Do I love GT? I sure as hell do, but that doesn’t mean I don’t recognize talent from other schools or think that the Falcons should only draft players from my school of choice. Unfortunately, most SEC a large portion of college fans don’t know when to draw that line, instead believeing that their school is far superior because it plays in X conference or runs Z-style offense. I suppose that meant those Cromartie boys just don’t know how to play football since they didn’t play in a major conference right? Or as mentioned above, Rice and Owens? I guess Chicago is kicking themselves for drafting Forte from Tulane.

by Jesse28 on Mar 18, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

VERY well said ...

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Mar 18, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He couldn't beat them because..

Shock blew out his knee in his second season (‘07) when we had that failbad coach, if I’m not mistaken. And if I’m not mistaken, we still had Vick at QB at the time. He was out all season in ‘07. Then we drafted Matt Ryan last year and quite frankly, not many proven NFL starters could’ve done better than Ryan did last season.

However, I will say that you are correct in not assuming someone is good or bad based on what school they went to. Just look at Jerry Rice or Jessie Tuggle.

This year’s sensation would be Domonique Rodgers-Cromartie outta TN State (without looking so not 100% sure, but it was a small school nonetheless) so it just goes to show that talented players can come from little schools and be as productive as someone from, say, USC. It looks like you pretty much mentioned them but I’m backing you up there. :P

by csihammerback on Mar 25, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the site!

And it’s a great point. Maybe no one would call Brent Grimes a resounding success, but he’s done a lot for a guy from a little known school. There’s plenty of good examples in the NFL.

by Dave Choate on Mar 27, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Dawgs can't handle my Tide.

:-D

"If the Falcons ever manage to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, I'll french kiss a toilet." - a friend.

by Adam Schultz on Mar 15, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck Kindly screw your tide. Sorry for the language but it’s late and I can’t fall asleep

by acie4mvp on Mar 15, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think UGA will be a threat this year?

I’m worried about Alabama. We lost an amazing OL and there are question marks at QB. The position battle is between a mobile QB and a pocket passer QB. I’m fonder of the pocket passer but he was raised by JPW…more a means to an end rather than a real threat.

"If the Falcons ever manage to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, I'll french kiss a toilet." - a friend.

by Adam Schultz on Mar 15, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

the tide should be solid…

i wish we played you guys again, but we play arkansas or something instead (not even a real sec team in my opinion), and we’ll see what happens

star jackson should be a stud in time, though

go falcons, gents!

by get swoll yunel on Mar 15, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't take him

Right now he is a project player much like for UAB and current NYJ DE Bryan Thomas, only lazier. I would consider him more like a late round pick rather than a first or second round worthy player. I would rate a tweener like Jarron Gilbert or Clinton McDonald ahead of him and both would be more useful to the Falcons as they could both play left end and move inside on obvious passing downs or be full time tackles and situational run down ends. Jarron Gilbert could probably go at the end of the first round and Clinton McDonald could be had around the sixth round. The only thing to love about Micheal Johnson is that he is a physical specimen aka workout warrior. Sounds more like a Raiders player to me lol. Also how does everyone feel about Jammal Anderson bust or project?

by blueverinefan on Mar 21, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

we cant say for sure now

he knows he’s on thin ice give him this year if he doesnt do the job move him in at tackle and get one in the first or second next year

by mistab50 on Mar 24, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

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