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Ok, gang. You're going to get a side of me you may not enjoy, a side many of you will not agree with. That's fine. You have your opinions, I have mine. And now I'm going to share them. Dave may have minced his words, but I will not. I'm in no mood to coddle.

Yesterday, I took my father, the man I respect most in this world, to see his first professional football game. He's always been a college football guy and yesterday, I made it my mission to convert him to Falcoholism. Through thick and thin, best and worst, my father has stuck by his Alabama Crimson Tide all his life. I've done the same for my Falcons since 1995. I convinced him, regardless of the storylines attached to the Eagles/Falcons game, that the fans around us were going to root on our Falcons and stick by them through the good and bad.

Yesterday, I left the Dome early for the first time ever. I have never turned off the TV or left my seat ever before yesterday afternoon. No, I did not leave when the Falcons were down two scores. No, I did not leave when Redman threw a pick-six. No, I took my father by the arm and left when the entirety of the remaining Dome crowd cheered on the opposing team when it went up thirty-four to zero. The "fans" in the stands were cheering on the wrong uniforms. Fans I had long since come to respect and pal around with. Fans I thought who had shelved their "love" of a certain player for their love of the team.

I was dead wrong and I am utterly and completely angered, disgusted, and saddened by that fact. I have lost some faith in the Falcons' fanbase. There is nothing more disheartening than hearing and watching red and black clad individuals cheer on the enemy. I don't care if Tommy Nobis and Steve Bartkowski unretired and suited up for the Saints or Eagles or whomever. If they aren't in a Falcons uniform, they are the enemy and should be treated as such

I am more disappointed in my fellow "fans" than I am the team's "performance" yesterday and that is unbelievable. I'm getting off my soapbox now. Just know this: because of the "fans'" behavior, I highly doubt my dad will even watch another NFL game the rest of his life.

From the bottom of my broken heart, thanks.

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It opened my eyes

to the fact that we, as true Falcons fans, are in the minority in this city. The vast, VAST, majority of the city roots for other teams, or only cared about a single player during his time here.

Could this be due to the fact that we have never had consistent success in the 43 years? Probably.

I’m still shocked at the crowd yesterday. The team didn’t deserve that, even with the terrible play. I’m more ashamed to be a fan of the Falcons today than I ever have in my entire life. It’s a sad day to be a true fan of this team.

by LongSufferingFalconsFan on Dec 7, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Consistent Success

No, it’s not that. Saints fans are in the same boat (for 42 years) as Falcons fans, but they live and die by the Saints. It’s not just because of the team winning this year, either. They were crazy about their team when they were 3-13 and playing “home games” in San Antonio because of Katrina. We have to come to grips with the fact that Atlanta really is not a good (professional, at least) sports city.

Sorry you & your dad had such a sour experience, Tloz. That sucks.

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by orang3b on Dec 7, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you hit the nail on the head. If all the so-called Falcons fans had not bailed by Vick’s second TD, would it have mattered that a minority of those present were cheering for Vick?

Those people clearly came for one reason, to see MV #7, and that is all.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder

what makes NO fans different from ATL fans?
or is that because NO doesn’t have many professional teams?

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by Gemini-RU on Dec 7, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

As a life-long Atlanta resident and fan I've often wondered the same thing

I don’t really understand it myself. For whatever reason people have a difficult time getting behind the teams. Part of it has to do with the fact that Atlanta franchises have a tendency to rip your heart out terribly, and for whatever reason people aren’t willing to endure it. I’m more inclined to think it’s because here, college football and sports are king, and people have an easier time identifying with their Universities than they do with our sports teams. Despite the fact that they’ve been around for 50 years, they aren’t as deeply engrained in culture as New York, Boston, or Chicago teams.

Atlanta has also become a very transient city. Lots of people not from there move for work and retain their loyalties from back home. That’s why you have so many bars that have affiliations with certain fan bases.

by LetsGoFalcons on Dec 7, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I think you nailed it

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by Dave Choate on Dec 7, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Believe me I wish it weren't that way

My group of buddies from back home and I are rabid fans of Atlanta sports. I wish Turner Field and the Georgia Dome were packed out weekly.

by LetsGoFalcons on Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Live in New Orleans, from W. Ga

The transient thing is true but its really just a matter of being into the Saints more than college football. No matter what you may hear, LSU isn’t that big a deal in New Orleans. Yeah, they’ll get drunk and talk smack on Sat. But it’s not like the Tide in Birmingham or the Dawgs in the non transient ATL population. Also they do love the saints down here, but as a Saints fan I should point out that the first time they ever sold out season tickets was the first year back in the dome after Katrina. There’s even a banner up in the Superdome to let you know.

by Mark Mandingo on Dec 7, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said, tloz.

I totally agree. That made me sick to see. Did the folks not consider what effect that would have on the morale of “their team” (just to clarify, I mean the Falcons).

The fans support of a visiting player was harder to swallow than the loss itself.

by TomQ on Dec 7, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

:-(

Sorry dude. I hate that: when you’ve been trying to convince someone to do something for ages, and then when they finally do it doesn’t work out. Particularly if it’s something really important to you, and if it’s your dad…

You’ve got to wonder why people bother buying season tickets if they don’t even care about the team… What’s the point? I find it particularly galling because I’d love to be at the Dome shouting my head off for the Falcons on Sundays, but I live thousands of miles away in a different country; while many of those ‘fans’ who actually live in Atlanta just don’t seem to appreciate it at all that they have this great franchise with so much potential right on their doorstep.

On the bright side – you know there are a lot of real, smart, dedicated, loyal fans out there. Hell, they’re on here all the time…

by Ignoramus on Dec 7, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

It figures, all of our loyal fans are outside of the city.

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by Adam Schultz on Dec 7, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It's true.

Not only to I get to watch the Birds flutter in futility, I get to live in an area with another team of futility, the Carolina Panthers. That’s double futility. It makes me sad.

I’m sorry to hear about this story, though, Tloz. That seriously is about as bad as it could’ve ended up for you and your dad. I’m not sure what to say. Your story makes me extremely sad. It really sucks you had to live it in person. I was pretty upset about it and all I had was Gamecast and the Falcoholic :(.

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by Zippo729 on Dec 7, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I live in "Panther" country as well

Jerry Richardson did a great job of capturing the fan base here. I have to endure that jabber all the time. They actually have some loyalty as well.

I think one thing that makes being a Falcons fan so great is that unlike most teams, you take a risk. New Orleans fans get to share in that. When you choose a team like the Falcons, every year bears possibility, and I would argue that it’s more so here and in New Orleans than anywhere else.

That’s actually why I think over the next couple of years we’re going to have some fun, fun games. Because even if this season didn’t pan out perfectly, this team is headed the right direction, and we’re going to have some serious battles down the road.

by LetsGoFalcons on Dec 7, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It Sucks

Being a Falcons fan and living in Panthers country, doesn’t it? Work is not pleasant after a Falcons loss, especially when the Panthers win.

by DirtyBird4Life on Dec 7, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Solid explanation, but that last line is PRICELESS.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

there aren't too many people like that

it’s just human psychology – people want to be on the winning side. so, unless that is the team they grew up watching, they prefer to root on the proven winners. but even that can change – I remember that in the 1990s Pats were non-existent and there weren’t that many Pats fans outside of New England.

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by Gemini-RU on Dec 8, 2009 4:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I live in Jacksonville

So not only do I not get to go to Falcons games, I also don’t get to watch them, and I don’t get to watch much of anything because the Jags are always blacked out. I’ve resorted to choppy internet feeds just to watch something at all.

I told my wife if we moved back to Atlanta she would probably never see me because just about every day I would have some kind of game to be at. Between all the sports at Tech and all the pro sports I probably wouldn’t get much sleep.

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by Jesse28 on Dec 8, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd, Jesse

If for nothing else besides your new sig, which I just read for the first time…

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by orang3b on Dec 8, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

I used to watch Falcons even when I lived in Uzbekistan – and that’s on the opposite side of the globe. And even last night I stayed up late as usual, and watched the game until that last second TD which was like a miracle in itself – I knew the game was over long before but just couldn’t turn of the game and go to bed.
I couldn’t see all the things Tloz could see in the stadium, but I could hear those cheers when Vick hit Celek for a TD. And I think what Vick did in this game was a disgrace – not discounting the fact that we have ALLOWED him to have a “breakout” game. But knowing that he nearly sank this franchise, and knowing that Atlanta is divided on this issue, he could have asked Reid to have limited role, and let Kolb replace McNabb. But it simply turned into a soon-to-be-free-agent Vick promotion tour.

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by Gemini-RU on Dec 7, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with everything you said ...

except bringing in Kolb. You can’t hate on them for wanting to win, especially when their season is on the line. If Vick was their best option, they rightfully used him. Then again, if Vick asked for more playing time – specifically to rub it in our collective face – that is reprehensible IMO.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I was appalled at the crowd’s behavior, and especially at the shots of people in Falcons jerseys with pro-Vick signs. I’ve known for a long time that true, diehard Falcons fans are few and far between, but it was especially depressing to see it in action yesterday.

If there were no more Falcons for me to root for, I’d probably give up on football entirely.

by Mad Molecule on Dec 7, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Let's be honest

Were any of you really surprised that there were alot of Vick supporters there? The city is still divided (for whatever reason) on the Vick thing. People have to realize that it’s business not personal. The man was in jail for 2 years. What were we suppose to do, play Harrington until he got out?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Vick fan too but when it comes to my Falcons I can’t cheer for him. If we were up 35 to 0 then I wouldn’t have mind clapping for him when he came on the field but I still would’ve been cheering for my team. I’ve rooted for the Falcons way before Vick and will continue to root for the Falcons after he’s out of the sport.

The problem is that we haven’t consistently had a winning product on the field and people are just tired of it. You don’t know how bad I’m pulling for a 9-7 season right now.

by Fear Me on Dec 7, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

I was a huge Vick fan because of the hope he represented when he was a Falcon. If it were me, I would have gladly cheered him when he first came on the field, but after that he is just another player on the opposing team and would see no cheers from me.

But really, it’s the last part of your comments that shed the most light on the situation regarding the fans. This season has turned into the “same ole’ Falcons” to a lot of people, and until there is some consistency of success, it isn’t going to change. The Hawks present the perfect example. For a decade they were the laughing stock of the NBA, but over the last two year, you could really see things changing. Back-to-back playoff appearances has gotten the fanbase to start showing up with more regularity. It will be the same way with the Falcons fanbase, but it will take some time.

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by Jesse28 on Dec 8, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Great write up

but I am also saddened by what I saw. I’m not sure that Atlanta deserves a great Falcons team. No matter how bad the defense played those guys ran their butts off for the entire game. Having to hear “their” fans cheer when Vick scored musy have felt like a swift kick in the cup

by mwalex on Dec 7, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

One other thing

Has anyone else been wondering about the play calling this year? Is it that we’re not executing? What’s going on? How do we not get in the endzone on 4 tries inside the five? the wild cat? C’mon…let’s play some smash mouth.

by Fear Me on Dec 7, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

The wildcat on the 1 was the dumbest play of the year, so far.

Based on principle, the Wildcat is a delayed handoff, as the RB has to wait for the ball to get to him before he can move, whereas on a regular handoff, the RB is already in motion and has physics on his side.

All it was was Mularkey out thinking himself.

All that was needed was a play action boot with one TE on the plane and another dragging in the back of the end zone. But no, let’s pound the rock in the same spot 4 times. Sometimes it works, but if it doesn’t work after time #2, I vote to change plays.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Dec 7, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been thinking.

Has something like this ever happened before? Has a fan base ever stopped cheering for their own team and started cheering for the enemy, or rather, a convicted felon, who lied to your franchise and embarrassed the fans repeatedly, dressed up as the enemy?

Has anything that dumb EVER happened in the NFL before?

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Dec 7, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Unfortunately

You don’t have to be a Falcons fan to buy a ticket to a home game. Those buttheads who distressed you tloz, are not Falcons fans, by definition. I wouldn’t take them too seriously, they’re not representative.

Although you do have some right to be extra-p!ssed when you lay out all that money for season tickets, there’s no getting past the fact that we live in a world with many idiots. Sometimes it’s easier to accept that and move on.

by tom slick on Dec 7, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

too many idiots.

rich, stupid idiots.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Dec 7, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

well ...

You don’t have to be all that rich. Season tickets in the upper decks are like $300. It is a matter of the Falcons (the organization) not doing enough to fill up the games/keeping people there for entire games.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? $300?

I pay $200 for supposedly-high-def-but-actually-rubbish streaming on Gamepass!

by Ignoramus on Dec 7, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I actually sat there through the whole thing and I’ve never been so embarrassed and angered. Even though I don’t hate Vick there is no way I would ever cheer or be happy about a player coming in and helping beat my team let alone humiliate us in front of the whole league. Had he done this to any other team I could have been happy for him but not here and not when they make it a point to put him in to try to run up the score. If he had been a steeler and was now coming back to pittsburgh it wouldn’t have happened that way. I used to try my hardest to defend fans in Atlanta I was doing it at Taco Mac Friday night after the Hawks game when some guys from Orlando asked me why they could sell out their arena and we couldn’t but I’m done. I will never defend these fans again in my life. I just consider myself one of the few true Falcon fans and go about my life. If I was a Falcon player I would’ve been even more pissed. Just pathetic

by atlsfinest on Dec 7, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

from a fan from afar (El Paso, TX)

My dad went to the first game ever in ’66. He, myself and my two younger brothers have Falcon tats. I really liked Vick; broke our collective hearts when it turned out the way it did. I even still have the Vick memorablilia on the shelves in my office.

I turned the game off. I think the woman that was caught by the camera with the sign in perfect Atlanta english shown “ATLANTA LOVE VICK”, using “love” as one would use “media”, “data” or “axing someone a question.”

Playoffs would actually be worse than better as I think they would be annihilated by any team in the first round (and yes, I went to the game in AZ last year to watch Brooking give us a going away present). I hope they get 9-7 just to break the curse but that’s it. Next year’s draft should already be a priority and every GD pick needs to be Defense (ok, maybe some more OL too).

by epbdl on Dec 7, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

OK ... enough of the race war y'all

I thought about this a lot last night, heck … I even discussed it with the GF. Any of y’all been to a Saints game at the Dome? There are more NO fans than Falcons fans at those games.

Some people were fond of Vick, and maybe they cannot discern between cheering on the Falcons and cheering on Vick, but they aren’t all black. I’m somewhat offended (and I’m not black) by some of the racial overtones surrounding this whole thing. Cease and desist por favor.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

I've gotta say

I haven’t read every post word for word, but I can’t say I’ve seen any racial statements at all, at least not today. I don’t think anyone on here who’s frustrated by the fans cares what color their skin is, whether it be white, black, blue, green, etc. I know I don’t care. Ignorance comes in all forms.

I think the problem (that I’ll have to investigate later) is that people claim to be Falcons fans, but were cheering MV7 on as he had the best game he’s had in years, and not only that, it was against the team he betrayed, and against us, the fans he betrayed. It was a kick in the gonads, I don’t care what Reid or anyone says.

I think the difference between NO and ATL is that the city hasn’t developed the mentality that “the Falcons are all we have.”

Remember Katrina? Remember how bad the Saints were before Katrina? Then they got Brees and Katrina happened, and he went out into the community and told them he would help them. Heck, all the Saints went out and helped the community. They embraced the city, and the city embraced them. Now the NO fans have turned into a passionate fan base and the team is rewarding them for it.

ATL has NEVER had anything like that happen, ever.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Dec 7, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Just trust me Zippo ...

If you read back through some of what has been written, the references are there. I’m not going to call out anyone specifically.

As for NO and Katrina, I’d argue that Saints fans were plenty passionate before the hurricane. I think what it comes down to is location and marketing.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I did mention it in the game thread

That it reminded me of the OJ partitioning of support amongst racial lines. Sorry if that observation offended you, i’ll choose my words more carefully next time.

by Cracker! on Dec 7, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all good ...

I’m just really PC, I guess. It’s my cross to bear.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a dumb thing to say even if the observation was valid (camera man might be to blame for the lack of diversity in showing those rooting for Vick), I think I channeled Bill Maher there. Complete brain fart mixed in with the frustration of that game.

by Cracker! on Dec 7, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Understandable ...

and you’re right about the cameramen. They certainly did not help (from what I could glean from the highlights, etc.) …

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Franky

Shoot me an e-mail, please.

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by Dave Choate on Dec 7, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

done and done

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, sir

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by Dave Choate on Dec 7, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I am

right there with you Warlock. The same is true for me. Wehn I saw falcon fans cheering when vick scored the first touchdown, I just about lost it. When I confornted some of them who sit right behind for every game they told me that vick said it was his town and it looks like it is. Go Vick! I almost lost my lunch. I had to go at that point. me and every other true fan walked out at that point. It saddens me to see how people turn on their own team around here. being born and raised just a few miles outside of Atlanta, the Falcons have been my team since I was 9 years old. That is a long time ago, since I will be 50 next year. I know I give certain players a hard time (yes Redman sucks like I told you before this game), I still love this team. I would never cheer for anyone who we were playing against no matter the circumstances. I am very down right now, but I am still going to be at the dome this coming sunday cheering on my team against the Aints. I will do so for as long as I live. To all of you fair weather fans. Please stay home and cheer against us in the privacy of your own homes, we do not want you at the dome.

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by Hardcore Falcon on Dec 7, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'm usually with you HF

But lemme ask you this … if you and every true fan hadn’t left by the time Vick scored his second TD, and y’all rightfully chose to boo him, would the cheers have dominated like they did?

My uncle has season tickets, and he consistently leaves before the game is over, especially when the Falcons are losing. My dad, on the other hand, refuses to leave a game before it is over, no matter what.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a good point.

Still a shame, in my opinion. It was just an all around bad situation for us Falcons fans.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Dec 7, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed!

Now if we can just kick the farsnickities out of the Aints this wkend, all will be right in Falcon Landvilletown.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

well

you can take it however you want. but if I didnt leave when I did I would have had a friggin stroke. My chest hurts now even thinkin about it. Sorry to dissapoint you, but not everybody deals with things in the same way. I had to leave or I would have gotten myself into trouble or ended up in the hospital.

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by Hardcore Falcon on Dec 8, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Vick....

I’ve been a falcons fan since my dad lined my baby crib and room with falcon attire. Yes, Vick was wrong!!! But he got a raw deal and it was good to see something go his way. Unfortunately it was against us and the game was out of reach before he put up the two scores. He wouldn’t have scored on us twice if he was still on the squad as a backup QB atleast for this year.

by Pharoah_Rah on Dec 7, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry dude

Tough luck on the dad thing, but like a real falcon fan i got disappointed and turned off the tube before the second MV7 touchdown, plus it just wouldn’t be Atlanta if we didn’t try to make a hurrah about something… “Oh Oh he used to play for us!” (in all sarcasm)

by falconboy on Dec 7, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

right or wrong?

u cant recover a fumble after a play is whistled dead and really get possesion can u? regaurdless, the saints prolly stomp us if we have the same starters next week but ive lost some respect for them in the last few weeks in the since that i dnt think they’re unbeatable. skins should have won. tired of descussing vick especially when ppl cant c the other side of the fense. and NOBODY on this site or in the world can tell me im not a real falcon fan {I} have been all my life. i do support vick. but am behind ryan 100% and hope he can be the man for us

by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Dec 7, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i support vick while being a die hard falcons fan

people around here act like there is only one opinion allowed, the popular one.
i wasn’t at the game, and that loss hurt severely. i watched the whole game and when vick played well it stung badly in my falcon’s fan heart.
but in my love for a former player who has become an object of wrath, i was proud of MV7 and glad to see him have success, because i hope he goes on to have a good career.

It is possible to hold two things in tension.

cognitively dissonant,
a falcons fan

by dirtyburs on Dec 10, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The curse

Falcons aren’t cursed. The fanbase of Atlanta is cursed. As a whole this town doesn’t deserve a good team. If I were Blank; after yesterday I would seriously think of moving this team. I ’ve never been more ashamed of this city than what I saw yesterday, cheering an excon dog killer, who flaunted this city and these same fans.

by chzbykr on Dec 7, 2009 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know ...

While you have every right to be upset, I encourage you to use this gizflammable, craptastic, mularkey-filled wakotaw as motivation to do good by the Birds.

Exude your fandom, encourage your friends to sip the Falcohol, rock the red/black with pride, attend games (and stay the whole time), let your eyebrows grow out such that they resemble Smitty’s, get the words “Mah Tee Ice” tattooed on your buttocks, etc. … I promise it’ll pay off in the long run.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Franky's guide to being a true fan

Rec’d

and if you can compile this into a 12 step program, I’ll be sure to jump on the bandwagon.

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Dec 8, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It was disgusting.

As has been discussed ad nauseam on these past couple posts the fans were downright awful to the players. Never have I ever before been ashamed to be a fan of a team, and I’m still not. But I am ashamed to be in any way connected with the Falcons fanbase. Absolutely sickening.

by orion12 on Dec 7, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.....

….and you call yourselves fans? This is amazing to see and listen to. Since when does it matter what the next person is doing or who they are cheering for? All of the teams in the NFL travel and play road games very often during the season and they have to endure the cheering fans of the opposing teams. When you travel with your team, does it bother you then that the most of the stadium is cheering for the opposing team? We have to remember what the definition of love and the definition of fan is. A fan is behind their teIt should not make you want to leave because the next fan is not as loyal as you. And to be honest with you, as a player, I would be more disappointed with the people who call themselves fans, who allowed the pressure of what others were doing to cause them to leave. My point is, you can’t control what everybody else is doing, so what if the rest of the city is not as loyal as you are. You should march and yell as loud as your love for this team will allow you to. You should be the last person to leave the dome. In New Orleans, win or lose, the fans are there at the airport to meet their team when they return home late into the night. It appears as though some are not as much of a Falcoholic as they think they are.

by Canalandbroad on Dec 7, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+999,999,999,999 (that is a lot)

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I will not stand by or be apart of a completely embarrassing mob. The people who stayed

Are vick fans and Philly fans. I did not want to be associated with that. I left because I was disgusted and prefer not to watch an angry mob turn on itself.

Since you’ve just joined today, I’ll take your slight in stride. Just keep in mind that “some” of us happen to love this team with all our hearts and prefer not to watch it get destroyed and abandoned by its own “fans.”

You have opinions. We all do. Some of yours may have to do with the Falcons. Sign up today and share them.

by Adam Schultz on Dec 7, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on Tloz ...

I understand your frustration, but you really think that everyone who stayed sacrificed their Falcons fandom by doing so, even if they were just as disgusted as you were, and they simply wanted to stay and show their support to the very end?

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, they were either numb from shock or asleep due to the lack of performance on the field.

So they get a pass. Anyone cognizant had no business being there if they weren’t wearing green.

You have opinions. We all do. Some of yours may have to do with the Falcons. Sign up today and share them.

by Adam Schultz on Dec 7, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

I know your frustration had special significance, so fair enough.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I’m not sure if I’d be able to control myself if I saw fans cheer for the Birds on one play and then MV7 on the next. (And claim to be true Falcons fans, of course)

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Dec 7, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure there were one or two true fans in that mix ...

People who neither cheered on MV7 nor forgot to root on the Birds until the bitter end. But Tloz is a fairly placid dude, from what I can gather. So if he was pissed, it’s likely I’d have been pissed too (had I been there).

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Dec 7, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I would've been breathing fire.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Dec 7, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you need to put the shoe on the other foot.

Sure, the other team’s fans are supposed to outweigh your team’s fans during a >road< game, but during a home game? That’s such a crushing blow to your pride as a player for that city, I wouldn’t blame any of them for wanting out of there.

You can’t compare ANY NFL city to NO. What happened to them with Katrina is an event that has not been matched…..possibly ever. Instead of faltering, the city and the Saints came together and now they love their Saints. ATL just hasn’t been like that, really no place has. Plus, as has been noted, Atlanta is one of the country’s biggest business hubs. Many different diversities live there and there are many business travelers there, it’s just that either they don’t like football or they like some other team that they grew up with, usually the Pats, Steelers, or Cowboys. (Or even Redskins/Giants)

One more example for you. I forget who it was that ranted about this on ESPN Radio (Ah. It was Mike Greenberg), but there was that Redskins (I believe) rookie who insulted the fans for not cheering for them. Well, Greeny went absolutely nuts at the dude. Telling him to shut up and if he and his team actually did something worth a crap, then they would cheer. Fans aren’t dumb. They know what deserves cheering and what doesn’t. Being down 34-0 at home? A die-hard true fan may hang around til the end of the game, but I guarantee he won’t be pleased. I believe Tloz is a very hardcore fan of the Birds. After all, he said he NEVER left a game early until Sunday. I think this situation is a special exception to the rule, my friend.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Dec 7, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Tloz

This is a beautiful piece of writing and by far sums up the bigger issue within this team and that is us the fans.

The majority of people on this site are pro-Falcons not pro-other team (MV). Its a shame that the most passionate fans are the ones who cannot attend the games. Because I assure each and every one of you had we all been at the game we would have been telling everyone who was cheering the Eagles to get out of the stadium.

Its a shame that on ESPN and other national media outlets rather than covering the game they cover how, “the fans embraced his return.” When I turned on my TV all I heard were boos, not cheers. Instead of showing people booing they showed a pocketful of people supporting the other team. By the end of the game every true Falcons fan had left the building, for obvious reasons (we were getting blown out, duh!). And all that was left was a bunch of people who supported a man and not a team.

Folks in summary Football is a TEAM game not an INDIVIDUAL one. And if you are following a person, you can go and watch Michael Vick play some tennis.

Australian Atlanta Falcons Fan EST 2003

by Grayson on Dec 8, 2009 2:30 AM EST reply actions  

You're right.

It would seem most of the fans on here are located in areas that cannot reach the Dome. Hmm…I’m about due for another Birds game. Maybe I can talk my dad into going to the Bills game with me (because if we lose that one, I’ll bury myself under the stadium).

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Dec 8, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

A noticed exactly the same thing – none of the major media outlets said anything about that. they all showed happy Vick saying he loves being in this city and he loves the warm welcome from the Atl fans. I think that was sicko – being happy about other people being happy about you destroying their team…

Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia

by Gemini-RU on Dec 8, 2009 5:19 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Life is a garden. Dig it!

by Hardcore Falcon on Dec 8, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

C'mon tloz...

…you said that you didn’t want to be associated with the people who were “vick and Philly fans”. I have a question for you, did you get dressed and go to the stadium to be associated with the people or, did you get dressed and go to the stadium to support your team? One more question, if you were the only person in the stadium that was cheering for the Falcons, would you be a fan? Would you have left the stadium if you had a family member playing in the game? Probably not because you would want to show them all of the love and support you can. So there is really no excuse for anyone who love the team to leave them hanging. What I’m getting from your post is that you let the people around you affect you more than the team who were there to support. You said that : “Just keep in mind that "some" of us happen to love this team with all our hearts and prefer not to watch it get destroyed and abandoned by its own” "fans."
Well when you got up and left, you “abandoned” your team worse than the “angry mob who turned on itself.” (look up the definition of abandon)

by Canalandbroad on Dec 8, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

It was too painful to watch

You’d have to be a masochist to wait it out to the end. I turned it off at 27-0 so fortunately I missed all the Vick hysteria. It was the most depressing Falcons game since Petrino bolted after that monday night game so I decided not to dwell on it and went for a hike in the woods with my dogs.

I don’t know how but someow, they’ll have to win a lot of those Vick fans back over if the franchise is going to be successful

by zooker on Dec 8, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think he abondoned his team.

They pretty much abandoned themselves. It was so painful to watch on TV I don’t know how anyone could watch a bunch of Vick loving people cheered the wrong team.

Australian Atlanta Falcons Fan EST 2003

by Grayson on Dec 8, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Why should a fan cheer on the enemy?

I’m from Brazil. And here, we like soccer and pick a team. I picked my team when I was younger and I would never cheer on our enemy. And that’s what I think about it. If you cheer on the enemy, you’re leaving your team. An which kind of fan do it?
My soccer team, Atlético Paranaense, had some great moments, in the past 10 years (a national championship in 2001), but it is not a good team today. But it don’t change the fact that I cheer on Atlético.
It also happens here: Falcons aren’t a top team in NFL, but why should those people cheer on Vick, Eagles’ QB , the enemy. The only way I can get any news or see some highlights about the Falcons is the internet. ESPN passes SNF and MNF, but it’s relay late and I only watch the 1st quarter. But if I could attend to a game at Georgia Dome, I would stay there for the Falcons. The team I’ve picked to be the only one I would cheer on, the only one I would be a fan. I wouldn’t go there to cheer on the enemy’s QB.
I don’t go often to my soccer team games (I attended to only one game this year), but if I also could go, I would never support the enemy.
How can anybody who declares be a Falcons fan, but in the game (a game which was one of the most important of the season), go to the Dome and cheer on, support the enemy? Is it an attitude of a real fan? Here in Brazil we would say that it is not.
I could be a fan of any NFL team. But I’m a falcoholic! And I’ll be one forever. Where I live is not a problem to that. Or what my country thinks about football.

by BrunoH on Dec 8, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

Eloquently spoken.

Atlanta is a city composed mainly of emmigrants. When I cam here in the late 60’s, the metro population was in the range of 1.5 million. Today, it’s about 5.5 million. Most of these people brought their allegences with them. A team like the Steelers agrigates bandwagon-jumpers that never jump back off, because there’s a tradition of success. I think they are attracted to an individual or a trait and they stay for the tradition. Atlanta has had the individual but not the tradition of success, so the jumper remains attached to the individual. Thus the Vick-tims belong to someone who is now on the downside of his career, at least in terms of time.

I grew up with th Falcons as my team, and I live and die with them every week. I cannot cheer another team. When I watch another football team, I can admire their personnel or their coaching or execution, but I don’t care about them.

I don’t know if Atlanta is unique in its population of out-of-towners, but I suspect the same is true for Jacksonville and Nashville.

How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!!

by AnOldBird on Dec 9, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

JAX can't even fill up their own stadium

I suspect it’s for a similar reason, although I wanna say the Gators have a lot to do with that.

JAX hasn’t won over Jacksonville like teams such as PIT, PHI, and NO have done. ATL hasn’t even really done it yet. I think the Hawks won over ATL in the playoffs two years ago when they took Boston to 7 games. But the trick to that is the Hawks took 4 years to get there. We’re in year 2 and had such lofty expectations, we kind of let ourselves down, I think.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham

by Zippo729 on Dec 9, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Why play for Atlanta

  Why would any football player want to play for Atlanta, after the so-called fans cheered for the other team? I’m just asking. I mite go back to my old Dolphins. Just kidding. The Falcons are my boys no matter what. Dolphins #2. I hope the playes know there are good fans out there that really love the team.

by Grey Rider on Dec 9, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

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