Observations from Section 326: ATL vs NO part two
What Had Me Screaming:
- The Falcons, despite mostly reduced to second stringers, somehow managed to give the Saints a tough game.
- Eric Weems is a return master.
- The Falcons fans. Despite being nearly outnumbered (one Who Dat-er remarked "It's like being at home!" when counting all the black and gold jerseys), Falcons fans were on their feet, cheering and yelling on every single play. We showed the Saints fanbase just how loud we could get. Very proud of my fellow fans.
- Brent Grimes, who apparently is no longer allowed to actually, you know, defend a pass. He had an amazing diving pass deflection that was, after the whistle was blown, penalized for interference. To add to that, he had an amazing diving interception near the 5 yard line that was, once again, called back due to interference. Funny how Grimes was (legally) bumping and going with his man the entire time, the ball thrown perfectly in his direction, and when he seals the INT, it turns into a flag. Hmm...
- For all intents and purposes, Matt Bryant > Jason Elam, for now.
What Made Me Boo:
- The lack of a pass rush. Brees had time to give himself a manicure back there. And Abe continued to drop back into coverage. What?
- Our redzone offense. Three times in the first half we were in the red zone. And three times, we had to settle for field goals. That's not how you beat the #1 team in the NFL.
- The playcalling near the end of the game. You run a double reverse on 1 and 10 with 4 minutes to go when the rush is getting momentum? Guess what happened! 2nd and 22 for pete's sake. Then what? INTERCEPTION! Woo! Ugh.
- The refs. My God, when even the Saints fans are shaking their heads at calls against the Falcons,something is wrong.
What Ya’ll Seem to be Forgetting:
- We still have a winning season to get after. And right now, that's all I care about. We will win these next three games. We will.
Some Pep for your Step
Daniel Cox has some good perspective on our postseason chances:
#falcons playoffs simplified. if dallas can continue its december collapse and giants lose two of last three and atl wins out, they're in. - @danielcox
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Whoo!
All I can say is that the Aints should consider themselves lucky. We almost took them out with have of our starters out of the game. We actually should have won that game by a touchdown or more. The refs stunk and made several poor calls. The play calling as warlock stated was horrendous at times. Wild Cat??? give me a break man. We were outnumbered fan wise all around the dome. I know it had to be at least a 50/50 split aints to Falcons. Maybe more Aints than falcons. I complemented several of the Aints fans on the brand new gear that they were wearing. Looked like most of them bought the gear within the past 2 weeks… go figure. bottom line is that I am proud of how we played the game, but we should have won it. Now we have to win out. I think we can do it if we play like we did on Sunday.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Dec 14, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions
Yeah that bandwagon was pretty full yesterday.
I’ve been to plenty of Falcons/Saints games at our dome, and they are always well represented, but nothing like that. We still held our own though. The dome got loud as hell after we scored that tying touchdown. I was really proud of our fans after the horrible showing last week.
Also, the Saints fans around me were the lowest class of fan that I have seen in a very long time. They were standing in the aisles, and would yell and get in the faces of people that told them to sit down. I witnessed one drunk Saints fan, that had been standing in the aisle all game, get in the face (yelling, screaming, cursing) of a father who was trying to move the guy out of the way so his kid could see the damn game. It was disgusting. Even if they were mostly bandwagoners, they are the worst lowest class in the NFL, and we’ve had our share of large visiting fanbases this year (Bears, Eagles, Dolphins).
by LongSufferingFalconsFan on Dec 14, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Lucky! Maybe you dirty birds are lucky that we played such a poor defensive game! We had several players out too! Lets be honest, its always a great game when we play each other. It doesn’t matter what the records are, its always a battle. It looks like this may finally be our year, but I know anything can happen. If we make it to the Super Bowl, I hope for one week you all are behind us. The year you all went to the Super Bowl, there were a lot of Saint fans pulling for you all. After all you all were representing our division.
by billsawhodatfan on Dec 14, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind if the Saints won it all.
I don’t dislike the Saints (some of their fans, on the other hand, are a different story) but I wouldn’t mind if they won the Super Bowl. I wouldn’t mind if Minnesota won, either.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
I will be an AFC fan
if the aints make the super bowl, which I still doubt they will.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Dec 15, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Makes the division look better if the Saints win.
And believe me, I’m all about some moral victories right now.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
I doubt
that it will make the whole division look better. Now, if our Falcons somehow sneak into the postseason, THAT would make our division look good ;)
I don’t think the saints will make it to the superbowl – and it has nothing to do with dislike. And I will be a fan a whichever wild-card team makes it to SB, just because I like to cheer for an underdog if my team is not playing.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I haven't decided who I'm rooting for yet
Maybe I’ll auction my playoff loyalty off to the highest bidder. Or maybe we could do it collectively as a site.
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I'm a sucker for good stories
and I really like the Favre story. He’s played out of his mind at 40 years old so far. What a football player, eh? He still runs downfield like a fool looking for someone to hit. It’s crazy.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
That's a fun idea Dave
I’ll probably have to root for New Orleans in the NFC because of the in-laws, and Indy in the AFC because I friggin love Peyton Manning. Plus, if two undefeated teams met in the Super Bowl, we might get to see Mercury Morris’ head explode on TV.
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We'd want them to love us
Because love…is so precious.
I really think we’ll do this. I may reach out to the head bloggers at each site and see if they’re willing to make their case in a short e-mail, and then cobble something together for people to vote on. It’d be a fun exercise, at least….
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Reality sets in.
Playoffs are a pipe dream at this point. At the beginning of the year I thought that a +500 record was a lock, now that its going to take winning out to accomplish, I ask you this; Would you prefer to go 9-7, or 6-10….
I have to choose 6-10; with the amount of holes that this team has to fill on the defensive side of the ball, I think its better to take the lumps now and give our front office the luxury of picking in the top half of the order….
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Just not always an optimistic one….
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i... believe...
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that. - Bill Shankly
by armchair quarterback on Dec 14, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
I’m very amused.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
Thanks Dave.
It boils down to one single point: YOU PLAY, TO WIN, THE GAME. By making this point i’ve contradicted what I said earlier; however BEING REALISTIC, I think we will all agree this team is not winning the Super bowl, this year, as currently comprised. Once you accept this fact, it becomes a simple question, draft earlier (keep in mind, we do not have a second round pick) or later. Biting the curb now can help us down the road; the “unstoppable” Saints were 6-10 just two years ago.
To quote one of my favorite movies “Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes you tie” – White men can’t jump.
I think at this point, taking our lumps, resting Ryan and Turner for the rest of the year, and drafting earlier may be winning by way of loses….
I agree about resting Ryan and Turner
especially against that defense we see in NY.
and I WOULD agree on the 6-10 point if someone could guarantee that whomever we pick up because of our higher draft position turns out to be a great contributor to our team. but nobody can guarantee that.
true, NO went 6-10 and then 8-8, and it wasn’t just the draft position that helped them (after all, there are MANY more teams that suck years after being at the top of the draft). part of it had to do with who turned their defense around (they were fine on offense for some time already). part of it had to do with scheduling (by being the last in NFCS last year that got to play losers from two divisions from the previous season, in addition to this random choice of who they had to play on the road and who – in their Dome).
but for this young team finishing strong this year may go a long way toward building this winning mentality for the next season. I am not even saying than until Dallas wins one game or Giants win two we are still in the hunt, mathematically.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
If you weren't born yesterday
then you know that a 9 in the win column is all anyone wants here. Our Backup Birds just went toe-to-toe with the then 12-0 Saints. Believe me, they want 9 wins more than I do.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
I’m not quite sure the playoffs are gone. Assuming three ATL-wins the only real “miracle” we need is that Washington beats Dallas. Which looking at the way Dallas usually collapses in December, and the way Washington played the last 5 games, and the first meeting of those two teams… it’s really not impossible.
(Of course, other (just not so miraculous) stuff has to happen too, and we need to get those 3 wins after all, which, looking at Thomas Jones’ form could get very tricky…)
I said from the start
That I thought we’d lose this, then win out. The fact that Dallas is collapsing could help us (losses against Philly, Washington and Aints) and Giants only win one of their next three (Washington, Panties and the Vikes) lets us into the playoffs, as you said. We’ve still got to worry, but lets not throw in the towel just yet.
its funny but we'll have to cheer for the Panthers and Saints
when they play Giants and Cowboys. but most importantly, we have to win out. if we win out and Jints or Cowgirls somehow sneak in, it still would be an accomplishement for us.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I'm starting to believe that referee that's writing that tell all book
Some of those calls were questionable. Especially the Grimes interception! You actually get someone who plays man to man, doesn’t touch the guy, and turns his head in time, and he gets called for pass interference on an interception? How many times does pass interference get called on interceptions anyway …. seems like an oxymoron!!
Grimes is a little guy, but boy can he play!! And he jumps higher than a giraffe’s azz!!
Yeah I couldn't believe it
Not on did we have 2 extremely questionable PI calls against us, there were some on the other side. I noticed 2 occasions where our receivers seemed interfered to me, yet there was no call. It was no different than the calls on our defense. I just couldn’t believe it.
We get that INT, we win the game, period. Our D was holding at the most crucial moments, our O was rolling, we would’ve won. I hate blaming losses on refs, but I haven’t talked to anyone today that considered that PI by Grimes. Even all of the stupid “life-long” (yeah right) Saints fans at my office.
by LongSufferingFalconsFan on Dec 14, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
there were some no calls on the other side i mean
my typing is way off today
by LongSufferingFalconsFan on Dec 14, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Fan base
I have been a Falcons fan since Prime was drafted. I was 12 years old. I am now 32… Simple math. I am also not a resident of Georgia and have never been (Visited several times for games though). My wife and I love it there. I happen to live in the ‘great’ northeast, more specifically Northern New Jersey (approx 15 minutes outside of Manhattan). In order to see every game, I pay a crap load for the Sunday Ticket and have a monstrosity aka an HD satellite dish on my roof. Seeing what I saw yesterday in attendance is just horrid. I easily saw more Saints jersey’s than Falcons jersey’s in most sections of the stadium. I guess I am not used to seeing that being from the NY area. Giants stadium season tix come with a 3+ year waiting list. NY fans are definitely fair weather, but regardless, they turn out to either cheer their team on or boo them off the field. 9-7 here we come!
Seriously
I have watched alot of Saints games this year and they get lots of breaks from the refs. It happens every year with one team or another. For some reason a great team gets breaks here and there. The Pats got breaks during their dyanasty the Colts get breaks, it just happens. To be honest I am proud of my Falcons this year. They have been competivtive every game and I am happy to watch a team that tries hard every week. I hope we finish strong
I agree.
The Falcons were out manned but played very competitively yesterday. Redman did a 180 from last week when I was ready to cut him. And yeah, the Saints got some breaks yesterday..and last week against Washington..and that game against Miami. Actually, every time I’ve seen them this year and they always seem to be pulling one out of their @ss at the end (except against NE, they smoked those guys). When you play like that, it usually comes back to bite you. It won’t always bounce you’re way every time and when it doesn’t bounce you’re way in the playoffs, you’re done.
I hate to say it because I can’t stand Favre and I always pull for the Saints when they aren’t playing us, but Minnesota looks like they’d tear the Saints up right now.
how about
if it’s the Cards who upset them, not the Vikes? Warner can do it. He’s an old guy too, but different than Favre.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I'd take the Saints over AZ
Both from a rooting a standpoint (longtime partners in misery) and from the old eyeball test. I think Philly would be a toss up even though I had the Eagles going to the SB in preseason. GB looks like they would give em a game too but I don’t think they could pull it out in NOLA
I think GB could give them a real tough test too
GB’s biggest weakness is their awful O-Line, but the Saints can’t get any pressure without blitzing. Unless Porter and Greer come back close to 100% by the time the (potentially) meet, Aaron Rogers is going to tear them apart. Of course, Brees would shred GB’s defense, too. First team to 50 wins!
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
This Falcon team has a plan. This year sucks, but we have learned some things, and TD knows how to correct whats wrong...
W/O Harry Douglas getting hurt, Eric Weems is playing somewhere else right now. I like our corp next year of White/Douglas/Jenkins/Weems/TBD…
W/O Ryan getting hurt, we might have forgot what he have in Redman. We thought he might lose that job in camp, but now we know he’s the perfect b/u. He’s at least the 33rd best QB in the NFL…
W/O Turner getting a break with the high ankle sprain, another year of 350+ carries might have done him in…
I think Biermann and Sidbury will grow into that PR we want so bad. I still think we need a lockdown corner. Maybe we can hit on a Revis or Rogers-Cromartie in the next draft…
Jury is still out on this past draft. When he went down, Smith though Jerry was performing at the same level as Babs. Moore will become that headhunter we want at SS. Owen is going to become a decent CB. Sidbury is coming along just like Kroy last year.
I know we want to win every year, but we’ve had a lot of “balls bounce the other way” and missed some breaks that we caught last year, but in week 15, we still have a shot to make the playoffs in a real bad year. This team is better, and TD will continue to build us into what we need to become….
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
by NaGaNole on Dec 14, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Beautiful post. I'd rec it like 7 times if I could.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
great one
I agree with all you’ve said about players, and I’m sure TD will do what’s necessary to fix things. the questions is that sometimes it appeared that playcalling was problematic on both sides of the ball, not just the players being down.
So I am hoping they carefully look into this in this offseason, and come up with what’s the best for us. There were moments when I was screaming “Mularkey and BVG out!!!”, but on a second thought, changing OC and DC can improve or worsen our team.
And about our playoff chances – I am also amazed that we’re still in the hunt! And IF we beat the Jets AND IF Dallas and Giants both lose, I will start believing in playoffs too.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Even Mularkey is learning....
He has a whole bag of wonderful trick plays, and I love using them. However, that wasn’t the time, and he’ll remember that. I would rather get it out this year than next, when the pressure will really be on this team to win…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Mularkeys' early game playcalling was good for the most part
we even had a traditional screen in the mix. the short, quick passes were effective. the long balls to Jenkins were stretching the field. unfortunately, it only takes one bad wildcat play to bring the whole thing to a grinding halt. at least he didn’t have rojohombre rolling right every other down.
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by armchair quarterback on Dec 15, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
The problem is
Mularkey’s been doing that crap for years, and at every stop he’s ever been. I don’t think he’s “learning” anything – that’s just who he is… he’s not called Inspector Gadget for nothing.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Redman actually threw for the 3rd most yards across the NFL this week (that’s before the Cards-49ers match). Impressive.
um
ok, but he still sux. insurance salesman. geez.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Dec 15, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
He holds onto the ball far too long and makes poor descions under pressure
by Erich Vowell on Dec 15, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
and yet.....we still almost won the game.
Can’t blame Rojohombre for the loss. He played well. His INT was set up by that moronic reverse call. He played well enough to win (like we have for most of the past month) we just keep coming up with the L’s.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
agreed
he is a good backup – and some teams in the NFL didn’t even have a starter at QB the caliber of Redman
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I disagree
I think that the better Redman plays now makes it more unlikely that we will go out and get a good backup for next season. If Matt goes down again next season I do not want Redman to be my only option. I do want to win out the rest of the games though. Damn it. I have to pull for Redman…
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by Hardcore Falcon on Dec 15, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't see why you dislike him.
He’s played 2 good games out of 3, the one game going against a red hot Eagles team that has always had a good, tough defense.
And Redman almost lead the team to a victory over the undefeated Saints. I just don’t understand what the problem is. I really don’t.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
um
he isnt very good. insurance salesman… and he was a dick to my son when he asked for an autograph.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Dec 16, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Also, considering how terrible our defense is, I credit him for keeping us in the game at all.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
Over these three games
Redman was as good (or as bad) as Ryan. Of course we realize he is NOT a Matt Ryan. All you want from your backup is to carry the load until the top QB is back. heck, if Redman were as good as Ryan, we’d have QB controversy ;). He’s made some good throws, he’s made some bad throws. Maybe he’s been bad in the past and that’s the reason for your dislike – I haven’t followed how he’s done in the past.
What I did like about the guy, however, was how he played in clutch time. take away that INT at the end of the game, and you’re seeing a guy who doesn’t fold when there’s time pressure. Agreed, during that final play he made a mistake – he bears responsibility partially for that call along with Mularkey – he made it obvious it would be a toss to Snelling, and he didn’t look for someone else once he saw that Snelling was covered. But again, he’s no Brees, and not even Ryan.
If we cut him this offseason, he’d be picked up by someone (unless he does something stupid the rest of the season) as a backup or, who knows?, as a starter.
I agree with your point partially – if we fix all our problems in the offseason and still have the resources, I’d say lets go get another backup. It’s scary to see Redman play against the Jets with Ryan still recovering, with the potential to have Redman injured and no reliable QB on the roster to fill in.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I remember those days
I am Saints fan, however, I have put hating to the side and decided to leave the Falcons alone. In fact, I have Michael Turner on my fantasy team and hope he recovers. I find the dislike for the Saints really astonishing. Afterall, both teams have similar histories and when we’re bad and the Falcons are good I give them props. Well not really, but I do understand all the “they are not good enough to win the Superbowl” talk. We beat your team twice this year and everyone else. Everybody was a " good test" until we spanked them. It’s tough win a game in the NFL no matter who is playing. I expected a close game from the backups, but I knew we would win. This is our year. We will have some tough games, but we can win them all. I like how ya’ll team bounced back from the Michael Vick stuff. I wish you guys success in the future. And happy new year.
Who Dat
thanks for the wishes
it’s always nice to see a polite fan from an opposing team on this board.
the reality is, there are different fans – some of them hate other teams, especially if they’re doing well, while some, on the other hand, jump off the bandwagon once their team starts losing. and yet, there are others who support their team through adversity, and wish other teams luck unless their team is playing them.
one of the reasons why some people here are waiting for that first Saints loss is because the saints have been awfully close to losing in several games, and they came back. sometimes this had something to do with the team stepping up, but sometimes they had enormous amount of luck, like in that Skins game.
Actually, those Falcons fans who still have a hope for a wildcard will be on your side on Saturday night. hoping you beat Dallas, and then will be on the Panthers side hoping they beat the Giants.
I have nothing against NO, and I will have another team to cheer for come the playoffs simply because I always pick an underdog in those games (unless it’s us).
Good luck to you guys too.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Nice article except
You can believe what you want but its against the rules for grimes to bump a reciever all the way down the field.So yes it was pass interference
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 7:00 AM EST reply actions
there's always some contact
in those plays, which is usually not called PI. and on this play grimes was actually looking at the ball during the play – our DB’s used to faceguard all the time and get flagged, but this was different. In addition, someone mentioned numerous holdings which weren’t called. some of those calls (or non-calls) could swing the momentum to our advantage, but many of us here realize that we still overcame those things and were in position to at least tie the game – it’s our playcalling that killed us on those last two drives.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I'm not saying you didnt get some bad calls
But if you look at the play there was alot of bumping past the 5 yard limit before he turned to look at the ball
At the very least on this play it should have been illegal contact past 5 yards
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 16, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions

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