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A Very Falcoholic Discussion: Maximizing The Defense

Frustration, thy name is secondary. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

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Frustration, thy name is secondary. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

We've had similar discussions in the past, but it seemed like an apt time to revisit them with the defense struggling so mightily.

Basically, I want to see what changes we can make right now to benefit the defense. You may be inclined to look at John Abraham's lowly sack total and ask the coaching staff to put in Lawrence Sidbury, or you might ask the Falcons to employ more creative blitz packages that allow linebackers like Stephen Nicholas to get in on the action. Maybe you'd prefer the coaching staff put more cornerbacks on the field and allow a little freelancing. It doesn't matter what the suggestion is, as long as it's a good one.

Discuss away, friends!

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A question from someone who understands little about defense

It seems that in the past several weeks Falcons have been great against the rush and terrible against the pass – statistically.
Could this be just a result of the opposing OC’s adjustments, realizing we’re bad in pass rush and coverage, and passing even in short yardage situations? This would limit the number of carries by RB’s and the rushing yards on paper.

by Gemini-RU on Nov 24, 2009 8:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As a consequence,

by passing when we expect a run they’d be catching us with wrong personnel on the field in some situations. maybe this is not the case, it’s difficult to judge that sitting across a computer screen ten thousand miles away.

by Gemini-RU on Nov 24, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're not far off ...

Methinks you’re on the right track. Basically VG may be overcompensating for the run (see: Peterson biting on PAs like nobody’s business), and our CB corps, while respectable, lacks a true #1.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Nov 24, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Great question...

What’s been odd to me is that there have been games where the D looked fantastic. In each of those games, the common denominator was the pass rush… we had the opposing QB scrambling the entire game. Then in the next game, the QB has 7 or 8 seconds in the pocket and just tears our secondary apart.

I don’t know enough about defense to really say why it works one game and not another, but is it because we aren’t blitzing enough? And is that because we are afraid our secondary can’t handle throwing that many people at the line?

One suggestion I would make is to stop making it so glaringly obvious what we’re doing on defense. We seem to have no deception to what we are doing… when we do blitz, everyone in the stadium knows it and we give the QB plenty of time to adjust and complete a short pass to a wide open tight end or receiver. Our D is so easy to read. My friend and I were watching the NY game and laughing at how bad it got… we would call out exactly what was about to happen, and we were right almost every time, as was the Giants offense in adjusting to it.

by cheshire falcon on Nov 24, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

you nailed my thoughts completely on defensive transparency

i’m not sure if they young guys just can’t handle it yet or if it’s scheme. but we do telegraph exactly what is coming. against the giants, i remember one play in particular where DeCoud tried to get a jump on the snap count for a safety blitz. Eli saw it, called protection for #28. i literally heard it so, i know the defense did too. anyway, he was picked up as expected, allowing Eli to connect for a big pass play. i’m guessing once the play is dialed up, the defense has no means (or permission?) to adapt. changing the call at that point could have caused the match-up read Eli got to change giving the defense an advantage..

Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that. - Bill Shankly

by armchair quarterback on Nov 24, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Where is the defense that started the season?

Earlier in the year, roughly through the Chicago game, the Falcons defense was a swarming, gang-tackling, punishing defense that caused turnovers and put pressure on the offense. The past few games, though, that defense has largely disappeared, and it was nowhere to be seen against the Giants.

For some reason our defense has lost that intensity, and I can only surmise it’s due to coaching, as there’s no reason even with injuries the players on the field can’t play with more focus.

by Scott Q on Nov 24, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The defense that started the season...

Definitely looked better then than now. Part of that is probably due to there being more film for opponents to study, along with the wear and tear of the season and the injuries that result.

As others have said, we get no pressure on the quarterback. If we’re gonna get beat in the secondary anyway then why not dial up the blitzes?

The other problem: our corners never, EVER, pick up the ball in flight when they are in coverage. How many times on Sunday did a pass whiz right past our defender’s helmet and into the receiver’s’ waiting hands? I’m no secondary coach, but there seems to be a need for some “coaching up” on technique for our pass coverage.

by Samuel L. Bronkowitz on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is the D?

Well Williams, Jerry, Moore are out for the season. The starters that are playing are Nicklebacks at best, not starting corners. The falcons Defensive line can not apply any pressure to alleviate the strain for the secondary which is why their getting torched. When receivers have all day to run around and get open, well, that’s never a good sign. I have completely given up hope on Anderson. The Falcons could be active in free agency looking to sign a Defensive end opposite Abraham. With the addition of Jerry in the lineup, it will improve their secondary a great deal.

The Falcons are young, and their top 2 picks in the draft are out for the year. Next year they lose a 2nd rounder, so if they want to make noise, they’ll do it in free agency!

"Just want the Falcons to win a bowl before I'm gone!"

by Edgecrusher211 on Nov 24, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

READ ME! READ ME! READ ME!

we need to be discussing the problems with our offense and defense. its seems like the second half of the game Ryan finally figured it out. U HAVE 2 HIT JENKINS! the key 2 our passing offense is michael jenkins! he must step up, be consistant, and catch the ball week in and week out. roddy is a great reciever by far the best we have, but we cant throw 2 him every down. gonzo is another great target but we hav 2 spread the ball around. ryan needs more zip on sum of his throws. that passing attack with turner running and norwood in the flats and screens can not be stopped! that will garentee our week reciever (slot) will be open. he too can make sum plays. as far as the d, they look tired. have 2 get the d line rested and agressive bcuz it starts there. I WANT ABE, BABS, ANDERSON, AND BIERMAN ON MCNABBS ASS! phily is just as gud if not better than the giants. lofton is great. peterson has 2 tighten up on coverage but is good against the run. nicholas is good but has gotta step it up and make plays. maybe there can be some rotation with coy wire and the outside lbs. as for the secondary….. man…. they have to get turned around faster and GET THERE HANDS UP TO MAKE UP FOR THERE HIEGHT. they have position almost every time. they need 2 study film of other great short dbs. keep the rotaion with hill and grimes. right now i like grimes bcuz he can jump! hill is gettin there tho. houstin made some plays sunday but gets beat way 2 often. and 4 goodness sake please dnt blitz the damn safetys or corners on third and long it makes no sense. decoud and coleman do a good job but they have to get to the ball faster to help the cbs out and make better reads. we need 2 use the tampa game wisely put them out early and work the remaining bugs out. they are no slouch team our d will b tested bcus of freedmans ability 2 buy time and as far as there d, barber is the truth. im praying 4 a wildcard spot

by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Nov 24, 2009 2:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I only read like the first 3 sentences

try paragraph breaks

>>LIKE THIS<<

and Matt Ryan does throw the ball to Michael Jenkins and Michael Jenkins drops them.

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Nov 24, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not only does he drop passes

He drops critical passes, like in the end zone and on third down. Covert his stone handed butt to DB, then drops wouldn’t hurt as much. Put Weems as the #2 receiver.

by mwalex on Nov 24, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I almost said we need a bigger #2 receiver

Then I remembered Steve Smith exists. He’s a #1, but if Weems resembles Smith at all, White will flourish with it.

Also wik, don’t forget about Harry Douglas! I know it seems like he doesn’t exist anymore, what with him being out all year, but he’s the next Wes Welker, and we don’t have him right now.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Nov 25, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jenkins

There’s another guy Im growing tired of seeing in the lineup. No explosion off the line, and hands of stone.

"Just want the Falcons to win a bowl before I'm gone!"

by Edgecrusher211 on Nov 25, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we should

line up more CBs on the field on most downs. Not all of these backs need to play in coverage, but the appearance would still mean something to the defense. We have plenty of speedy CBs who could blitz on running downs or just to create pressure on the QB.

by atlpride on Nov 24, 2009 7:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My opinion

I think the issue with our defense is multi-faceted. There is some talent, and at times, that talent stands out and the defense as a whole looks good to great. Unfortunately, the majority of that talent (DeCoud, Nicholas, Peria Jerry, Lofton, Houston) is very young. Young players struggle with consistency, this coupled with injury, creates a need to be able to rely on talented veterans, of which there are few.

Some of you mentioned that at times the D has seemed to “get it”, with most of these games coming early in the year; its no coincidence that Jerry was playing well to start the season, he was pushing the center of the line, and caving in the pocket, forcing quarterbacks to roll to a side, and the rush was good enough to then force bad throws. The loss of Jerry left us without a defensive tackle with such abilities; this is meant to take nothing away from Babs, I think he has played extremely well this year.

The previously mentioned youth movement, coupled with what lately seems to be lackluster play calling (and there is a big difference between coaching and play-calling, I think that our team has played fundamentally sound football, but the plays that have been called have been somewhat questionable) has seriously cost the defense. Its not surprising to see a team that decided go with a youth movement on defense struggle for a few years; the falcons have been blessed with Curtis Lofton, and he’s a player that can be built around. The fact that our blitzs have seemed telegraphed lately also suggests that either Lofton or Coleman needs to step up and get the guys lined up better, and to not be afraid to change plays when the offense seems to know exactly what is coming.

I’ve spouted the same belief here since I signed up sometime shortly after this sites creation; games in the NFL are won by the linemen (unless you have Peyton Manning). The best we can roll out on the D-line right now doesn’t cut it game in and game out. Perhaps the players along the line will improve in a similar manner to Babineaux, and turn into very good starters, but I will say the following until I am blue in the face: If this team is serious about contending, they MUST, MUST, ADD AT LEAST TWO PROVEN PASS RUSHERS. Anything less would be a nice gesture, but will probably not produce the desired effects. Once we have a consistent pass rush, the extremely young secondary will look leaps and bounds better, although adding another corner probably wouldnt hurt (think someone with a bit more size…)

by Hamburger on Nov 24, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Asomugha.

I would cry tears of justice if he came to ATL.

I think Sidbury and Biermann will be fine in the next year or two. They said Beerman had already added some absurd amount of muscle weight in the offseason. Something like 20 pounds, and he even said he’s not where he wants to be yet. I imagine they’re doing the same thing with Sidbury, just bringing him along a bit slower until Abe just can’t play anymore.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"

by Zippo729 on Nov 25, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed 100% Harburger

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by orang3b on Nov 30, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or

Hamburger.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by orang3b on Nov 30, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FALCONS

I think it’s time for Falcons to rebuild. They remind me of the 06 Saints team. Had that great first year , went all the way to the game before the SB and then lost. Then they had to go and get more players in and start over. The next 2 years they were around 8-8 but real close and losing about 4-6 games a yr by less then 3 pts each. Other words , after 2006 they rebuilded and stayed close to playoffs , but not in them. Now , the Saints are seeing the little light at the end of the tunnel. We had new coach , so do you , we have Brees and you have Ryan , we have Bush and you have Turner. If you look , seems like teams are close , after hiring new Coaches and what happens after that first year of starting. I think the Falcons need to start twinking some here and there for the next year or two and they will be right there.

by sainthog on Nov 25, 2009 5:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

any time

that Chris Houston is not on the field, you are running MAX D.

Life is a garden. Dig it!

by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 25, 2009 8:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'll take a stab at it

Most people here aren’t answering the question — they’re either saying what’s wrong with the D, or saying what we can do next year. Your question was, “What can we do RIGHT NOW?”

Of course there’s no easy fix, but there does seem a logical choice that was hinted at in an earlier comment. Teams have obviously fixed us as a D that can be passed on all day. They watched film and made an adjustment, and now we have to adjust to that.

What we have to do is push them into running every play. The way you do that is to put more people in coverage.

Have linebackers dropping back on most plays to cover short. Put an extra d-back in there. Have the DE rushing upfield every play, not looking to stop the run. I don’t know all the specific things they can do, but the overall strategy is to overcompensate and force teams to start running the ball again.

It may backfire and then they start running all over us, but hey, at least they aren’t having record passing days against us!

by Ed Edwina on Nov 25, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Not so sure that will work

Dropping LB’s back into pass coverage allows the other team to run and that can chew up yards and time. The LB’s or a safety would then move up and BAM! a busted coverage could lead to big pass yards.

I’d consider switching back and forth between and 4-3 and 4-2-5. In the 4-2-5 you could play a S closer to the line and let him blitz or pick up a RB that gets by the LB’s. From the 4-2-5 I’d also work in some blind side CB blitzs. Grimes is lighting fast. Have him shoot in there and hit the QB but go after the ball primarily. The D has to reduce the amount of time the QB can make reads and hold onto the ball. I think the better solution is more pressure, a lot more pressure.

by mwalex on Nov 25, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pressure is great

knowing that without more pressure from our pass rush we can get burned by McNabb & Co…

by Gemini-RU on Nov 27, 2009 5:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't do that straight-forward, or they will burn you

There was a discussion on this in another thread – sometimes it looks like BG is overcompensating for the run, and the opposing offense is then happy to throw the ball more often.
But whatever our D is doing they’re having little luck disguising their schemes from the opposing QB’s and OC’s – GOOD QB’s seem to pick up what we’re planning and making quick adjustments at the line – and killing us.

by Gemini-RU on Nov 27, 2009 5:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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