Falcons And Giants Recap: Roller Coaster Of Loss
Initially, I only saw the first two-and-a-half quarters of this game, and I recognize that things really switched up a bit from there. Still, I think my reactions to what happened can be best summed up visually.
Basically, it was a game of extreme. Reading through the comments, you can see how people were excited, built up for success and then bitterly disappointed and openly weeping, sometimes in a matter of seconds. It was the kind of game that leaves you emotionally exhausted, and I was only able to track the score every few minutes from the ol' phone.
Unfortunately, the Falcons lost. That's what really makes this hard to swallow, because we've now hit the .500 mark more than halfway into the season. I've been chastised for basically giving up on the playoffs. It's true that we're not so far out of it that we can't come back. It's just that I don't think I can fool myself into thinking that this team, as constructed now, can run the table or pull off four out of five. I still believe that winning season can come and probably will come, but I'd be pretty hesitant to put any money down. It's been an up and down season, perfectly summed up by an up and down game we just couldn't win.
Join me after the jump and we'll break this one down further.
HIGHLIGHTS
- Matt Ryan looked as though he had finally reached bottom during the first half Sunday, when he ran like a scared deer and tossed the ball away at every opportunity. When he went into the locker room, people were openly lobbying for Chris Redman to get some snaps. The man who we drafted to be our franchise savior looked, as he had for the last four games, to be anything but.
We'll probably never know what happened during the half, but Matt Ryan came out firing. It wasn't exactly an inspiring performance by the end of the night, but it was one that was mistake free and leaps and bounds ahead of where he had been. It showed the kind of poise and decision-making he had displayed throughout the early games of the season. It was hope for the hopeless, in many ways. It was also a reminder of why you can't give up on young franchise quarterbacks with limitless upside because of a few bad games. Let's hope we can all remember that. - I thought, despite his fairly anemic average by the end of the game, that Jason Snelling did very well filling in for Michael Turner. He clearly wasn't Turner, no, and he wasn't Jerious Norwood, but he did about as well as he possibly could've without either of them around. The fact that he can punch it in when asked to gives him execution points that half our team is lacking.
- Tony Gonzalez continues to provide a reliable target for Matt Ryan. I do think that our tendency to force the ball to him has hurt us at times in past games, but here Gonzo was a great help to Ryan throughout and deserves to be recognized as such. He's on pace for some very nice numbers, and he remains our best red zone target.
- Eric Weems hauled in a touchdown and did well in the return game yet again. With our other options at receiver—excepting Roddy White, of course—either ineffective or injured, it amazes me that he isn't getting more run. One of these days, maybe the coaching staff will decide it's time to get him the rock.
- You say Curtis Lofton managed to be in on almost every play again and helped to make a critical goal-line stop that would've held if not for the secondary? Ho hum.
- Stephen Nicholas had a sack and a forced fumble? Big kudos there.
- Say what you want about Brent Grimes, but that dude can grab a pretty interception. I remain mystified as to why Grimes gets lumped in with the rest of the secondary when he's done very well most of the year. Hopefully he continues to get his chances to steal some passes.
- The offensive line was pretty good through most of the game, I thought. Credit where credit is due.
LOWLIGHTS
- Michael Jenkins, what the hey hey happened to you? It's like he's reverted to the old days where you could count on him to drop a key pass every week. As great of a blocker as he is, we're paying the dude a lot of money to be a reliable third option in an offense where the opposing team is always going to be keying in on Roddy White and Gonzo. The fact that he's suddenly unable to get it done is really, really hurting us.
- Jason Elam is a classy veteran and a guy who I'd probably love to have a beer with. I say this to soften the blow of what I'm going to say next: We need to cut ties with Jason Elam.
Whether you're going to replace him with an older kicker as a stop-gap or sign a young guy like Steve Hauschka, Graham Gano or Brandon Coutu, it's time to let Elam go. The kicks he's missed for us this year have been incredibly costly and have left me wondering if the coaching staff has any faith left in him. With a young kicker, at least we could tolerate the occasional miss because it's part of growth and development. With Elam, it can't really be anything but a sign of decline, and that worries me. - Michael Koenen was clearly just having a bad week, but you rarely see him look that terrible, and it was also very costly. If not for Special Weems, we'd be failing that entire unit.
- Let's say it one more time. The secondary really looks awful this season. If the Falcons aren't going to commit to bringing in a talented free agent or drafting a top-flight young cornerback, then someone over there in Flowery Branch has lost their minds.
- And yeah, we lost.
THE WRAPUP
Game MVP: Hard to pick for a number of reasons, but let's go with Tony Gonzalez. Dude was consistent all game and really helped Matt Ryan get back in the saddle.
Game Theme Song: A shocked, speechless silence, followed by a sigh.
One Thing To Take Away: Sometimes even your best efforts at a stunning comeback aren't enough.
Next Week: We'll try to snap this losing streak against the woeful Tampa Bay Bucs, represented by our friends over at Buc 'Em. I don't dare take them lightly.
Final Word: Losingsucks.
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Well I copied this from the other post.
Okay I didnt read everyones comments. I will do that later. I just want to say that I was happy to see us come back from 14 down to tie it up at the end. My psersonal feeling is that they should have gone for 2 points insted of the tie. win it or go home. NO overtime for me thanks. Second, wth are you calling tails on a coin toss for??? I know everyone says the odds are 50/50 heads vs. tails, but have you tried it? I have, and I get a consistent 6 or 7 out of 10 heads to tails. Not sure why but I have been testing that since I was about 10 years old. you will never get me to call tails on any coin toss that is for sure. Anyway. thats my 2 cents.
I will add that I probably wont get season tickets next season for the first time in about 15 years. Last time I did that we went to the super bowl, lets cross our fingers.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 23, 2009 8:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As I said before...
Tails never fails
by MostlyCorndog on Nov 23, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bs
bank it.
Life is a garden. Dig it!
by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 23, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Mythbusters did a long test
and if I recall right, heads really does have a higher chance of occurring than tails. It’s only a very minute chance, but it’s still a higher chance.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"
by Zippo729 on Nov 23, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure
try it yourself. I just did it 20 times and it came out 13 heads 7 tails
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by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Silver lining...
Of course it’s terrible to lose, especially after that valiant comeback.
The silver lining is that in the third and fourth quarters (mostly fourth), Ryan looked like his old self. He had his poise and accuracy back. I’m hoping this trend continues.
Let’s not forget that the Giants had two weeks to plan for us, and we didn’t have our starting RB. Obviously, that doesn’t really matter for that game, but it can give us hope for the future.
We definitely have a shot at a winning record, and at the post season.
by TomQ on Nov 23, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we’d seen Falcons go down despite getting good performance from Ryan and Snelling, it would be one thing – losing in the end because of a missed FG (let’s not forget that after that miss Giants marched all the way for a TD, while after their miss we only punted – and it was a short punt converted into a TD later) is a different thing.
I still think that we can still reach playoffs. To do that we first need to get wins against Tampa and Philly, and I wouldn’t take even the first one for granted – unless Falcons improve on pass rush, Freeman will torch our secondary.
Oh, and yeah, of course, no more missed FG’s please. That puts even more pressure on Ryan, since he can’t rely on special teams getting a long or even medium range kick.
by Gemini-RU on Nov 23, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As someone noted in the previous thread
In way too many games this season the opposing quarterback had a historic day… That’s sad…
by Gemini-RU on Nov 23, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Freeman is a rookie...
And against a beat up Saints secondary he did not look particularly sharp. McNabb is another question, but Freeman’s best target who is not Winslow is their rookie receiver who does not have the height advantage that some receivers have had on the secondary.
by MustangFalcFan on Nov 23, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TomQ - I totally agree.
We lost in overtime, on the road, without Turner or even Norwood, to one of the biggest teams in the league, coming off a bye week. I’m not too upset.
In fact, compared to how I felt last week, or after the Dallas game, I am pretty much jumping for joy. When we lose like this, or like we did to the Saints, I still feel proud that the Falcons are my team. It’s when we play consistently badly through the whole game and lose to the godawful fricken’ Panthers that I get angry!
(For the record, I’d never have gone for the two-point conversion, but I would have called “heads”. Who on earth calls “tails”?)
Looking ahead, we can take the Jets; we can probably take the Eagles. I reckon we could still come out 10-6, and that’s not at all bad.
by Ignoramus on Nov 23, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On Weems...
I think this question was raised before, but still – could Weems be an efficient slot receiver like HD last year? It’s just heartbreaking to watch the #3 target consistently drop crucial passes…
by Gemini-RU on Nov 23, 2009 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree...Weems seems like another Harry Douglas in the making.
Wait until (and if) Norwood, Turner, Weems, Doulags, are all healthy with Finneran, White, and Gonzalez if he stays in 2010, the Saints better watch out.
Yet our offense seems difference despite the losses. 2008 we were finesse, loose, creative, flavorful, quick passes. Now Ryan is in the pocket for a long time exposing our O-Line. Mularkey, what have you done?
by brotherbrown on Nov 24, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PLAYOFFS? Don't talk about playoffs. Ya kidding me? PLAYOFFS? I just hope we can win a game...
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
by NaGaNole on Nov 23, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A Healthy Dose of Reality
Is in order.
Our schedule has been very tough so far. We have played poorly in 3 or 4 games, Dallas, Carolina, and maybe New England. Dallas and New York had two weeks to prepare for us. We have a young team and a tough schedule. We all knew that a playoff appearance would be nice, but that it was unlikely. We also have had injuries to our best two running backs, our defensive line, and our secondary. I can’t honestly say that I’m happy with our record or how we’ve been playing, but its understandable.
We still have three games against two of the worst teams in football. We have another game at the slumping Jets. We have two games at home against the Eagles and the Saints. I believe we can take one of those. The playoffs may be out of the picture, but certainly not a winning record.
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by phoenix falcoholic on Nov 23, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Playoffs are not out of the picture, but with a very tough game against the Saints, we have to beat PHI...
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
by NaGaNole on Nov 23, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So much for back to back winning seasons
I’m an Atlanta native and a life-long, long-suffering Falcons fan.
There are no moral victories in the NFL. Fighting back and coming short is still a loss.
We’d have to go 4 and 2 down the stretch to pull out a winning season. Sadly, I don’t see that happening.
by Samuel L. Bronkowitz on Nov 23, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is Coutu available to sign?
He’d be a good pickup, I’d say.
by TomQ on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It is good though
To see Ryan back on the Highlights and off the Lowlights
by MostlyCorndog on Nov 23, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
There are no moral victories?
well there are reassurances, no?
call it what you want, but when the most crucial player on your team has been in the mdidle of a deep funk, and en route to a loss he suddenly emerges back into his old form, that’s got to make you feel better.
matt was clutch in the second half.
last year did anyone else think that the big contract we gave jenkins was premature?
i think if we bust our tail, 9-7 is definitely doable. honestly this season has been on par with my expectations, and that makes it easier to take. i think a lot of us around here were drinking the kool-aid in the off-season. we knew our defense was still a year or two out, although who could have predicted the sophomore slump?
anyways, here’s to 4 more wins and key losses for our wildcard competitors.
by dirtyburs on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I did think the Jenkins contract was premautre
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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Smith should have incuded Jenkins in the talk he had with White before the SF game...
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
by NaGaNole on Nov 23, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Move him to DB
He’d be the teams biggest DB, he’s fast and he can’t catch.
by mwalex on Nov 23, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Discouraging loss
After three uninspired performances against mediocre opposition, it’s hard to make a case that our Falcons are a playoff-calibre team. The team we saw Sunday isn’t going 5-1 the rest of the way. Perhaps they can still salvage a winning season by finishing 4-2, but the rest of the year suddenly looks daunting (IMO). Sigh.
It sucks to be a Falcons fan today, but wise fans always retain perspective (so I’ve heard). 5-5 is hardly a disaster when you consider our starting personnel problems, lack of depth, and tougher schedule. At least we have an owner who cares, and a Brain Trust that has earned a chance to execute their long term plans.
Not that we’re all blithely strolling down Lollipop Lane, mind you. Blank will be (rightfully) expecting results in 2010, or else.
by tom slick on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Discouraging is a good word to describe this,
I was tempted at the end of last year to write off this year entirely. “We won a year, so we can look for a winning team again in 2011, maybe.” It’s getting harder and harder to get up for games when it appears that the role assigned to the Falcons is that of the occasional spoiler.
The failure of the replay officials to re-examine the catch by Roddy White during the 2-minute period before the half indicates they’re either incompetent or corrupt, so what’s the point? The Pats and Steelers SHALL win. There’s no point in expecting more.
It doesn’t fit into the plans of the NFL.
I’ll be there next week.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!!
by AnOldBird on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be there too
You know how some cultures arrange marriages between very young kids?
The Falcons remind me of that bride you’re forced to marry. Fate has brought you together. Abandonment is somehow not an option. You learn to coexist and make the best of it. Finally, you end up loving them, for better or for worse, with all their flaws.
See you Sunday!
by tom slick on Nov 23, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. YES!!!
When I was younger I always wanted to be a San Francisco fan. But they always kept beating the “bride of my youth.” The Atlanta Falcons are my team, regardless.
And that’s why God made beer in 12-packs.
Thank you, Lord.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!!
by AnOldBird on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did anyone watch matt ryan's postgame press conference?
looking for some feedback on this, but it seems like matt implicitly throws elam under the bus with a hidden quip about special teams.
granted, elam continues to throw our win-loss record under that proverbial bus, but it struck me as kind of messed up given the fact that nobody criticized matt to the media during the 5 game stretch in which someone could have easily claimed he was costing us games.
low-down, slip of the tongue, casual immaturity, or no big deal?
by dirtyburs on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just watched it...
I see how you could have interpreted it that way, but it wasn’t a dig (IMO). I think he said something along the lines of “we played well on both sides of the ball, and special teams, we just need to execute better.” As in, we need to execute better all around, not just on special teams. Special teams isn’t really one side of the ball or the other, which is why he separated them out. Anyways, hard to explain, but I don’t think he meant to throw Elam under the bus.
by TomQ on Nov 23, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Special teams isn't considered a "side of the ball"
I understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t think Matty would say something like that in a PC.
TomQ already said the side of the ball part, but I wouldn’t look to far into it.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"
by Zippo729 on Nov 23, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Generally the offense looked good-just some fine tuning
Weems to WR 3 catches this year, 2 for TDs
Michael Jenkins to CB-the man can run with NFL receivers, is big and strong and catches the ball like a DL. Can he be worse than what is there currently?
by bull trout on Nov 23, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
interesting
but probably never gonna happen. Houston is just plain terrible out there though. We need someone who will at least look back to the ball.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 23, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
his problem
it seems to me is that he always starts out of position and has to try to work his way back. Wrong way to go about things.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weems is a force in the red zone
I think it’s because he’s so elusive and the defense has higher priorities. He doesn’t have to be in the slot on every package, but they should employ a third wideout in the red zone and get him in there.
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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 23, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even if the falcons make it to the playoffs
Could we just be happy with that? We need Lawyer Milloy
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
by maxxj3 on Nov 23, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be extremely happy with the playoffs
I still look at this team as a three year plan. With HD, Jerry, William Moore and others returning next season and one more quality off-season under our belt, we should be ready to take the next step. Getting to the playoffs two years in a row before the fruition of that plan would be awfully awesome.
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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
William Moore?
What is wrong with him? Our first 2 picks were supposedly injury prone when we drafted them and guess what they are injured. I think they are good picks if they can stay healthy but still….Makes me question Dimitroff some.
by falcons11 on Nov 23, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chis Houston SUX!!!!!!!!
I think you forgot one. This guys gets burned Sunday after Sunday. Undrafted 110 lb 5’2 Brent Grimes plays better out of just sheer hustle than our 2007 Round 2 Draft pick.
Jenkins drop was unacceptable. Why are we paying 5 mil/yr for a Receiver to block. We certainly aren’t paying him to catch balls.
Agree with Elam. Time for him to stop blaming his holder and accept he is DONE.
by falcons11 on Nov 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you saying
brent grimes has the build of a cheerleader, lol
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
by maxxj3 on Nov 23, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to our secondary...
it’s bad enough to be short and physically unimposing. But to be short, unimposing, and dumb?
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
by maxxj3 on Nov 23, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maxxj3, who are you calling short, unimposing and dumb?
by Debilah on Nov 23, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to falcons 11
Brent Grimes is 182 lbs and believe it or not he is 5’ 10"
by Debilah on Nov 23, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it
You must be proud of what’s he done this year. I’ve been very impressed.
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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 23, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lies. he's 4'8"
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"
by Zippo729 on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grimes is 5' 10"?
That’s clearly a press release.
I’m your basic, middle-size white guy, and (if that’s accurate) he’s 2 inches taller than me. Them’s some big ol’ fellas playin’ on Sunday, I’m tellin’ ya!
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!!
by AnOldBird on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Elam has jumped the shark. I'm glad he got to end his career here...
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
by NaGaNole on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
on a good note...
We had six of ten games away. Now we have four of six at home. Undefeated at home!!!
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
by maxxj3 on Nov 23, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great post Dave
And I don’t think you’re crazy for giving up on the playoffs, i think you’re just being realistic.
Here’s the thing – statistically, it’s still very doable and we’re very much in the hunt. It’s not crazy to think we go 5-1 which would almost lock us in, and going 4-2 would put us at 9-7, and many years 9-7 teams make it in.
So the question is, is it reasonable to think that we go 5-1 the rest of the season, and i think the answer to that has to be a resounding “no”. Yes, I am encouraged by seeing Ryan play better, and yes, I hope our running game will get back on track… I would love for the offense to start clicking and become what they should have been all year… if that happens, playoffs become more realistic.
The problem is this: Last year, someone was always there to make the big play or come through in the clutch, and this year, it’s like the inverse of that… if the D makes a good play, the offense blows it on the next possession. If the offense finally puts it together, the defense becomes unhinged. If both sides of the ball get it together, the special teams blows it and Elam misses a 25 yard field goal. We just have something in us this year that HAS to blow it. Even when we do something good, someone HAS to follow it up with something bad. And it’s been like that even in the games we’ve won (with the exception of SF).
I don’t know what that “thing” is – coaching, bad play, injuries, or something else entirely. It’s the kind of thing that makes me glad i’m not a coach or a GM because i don’t know how to pinpoint it, much less fix it. But I see it plain as day in every game. Yesterday it was the secondary. The game before that it was Ryan.
I watched the Pats-Jets playing last night, and even when someone on the Pats does something bad (which they frequently did), someone follows it with something good. And that’s what good teams do. But it’s the direct opposite of the Falcons. Whenever we hit a point in the game where we need “X” to step up, “X” NEVER DOES IT.
Until I see that quality go away and until I see every facet of this team showing up to play every week (like they did last year, even when they lost), i have no reason to think this is a playoff team. And you can call me a bad fan if you want – i’ll still watch every game this year and i’ll go down with my team, but i’m not going to pretend things are great when they obviously suck so bad.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 23, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
yah
Life is a garden. Dig it!
by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 23, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 23, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The secondary...
is young and inexperienced. Our only hope for this season was for Hill and Williams to be solid contributors. Obviously, that hasn’t happened. Pass rush hasn’t been great either.
As an aside, wonder how high Rolando McClain goes? I’d love to grab that dude, stick him inside next to Lofton, and run the 3-4. Nicholas could be your third ILB (or start until Ro was ready) with Abe and Biermann standing up. JA looks like he’d be a good fit as a 3-4 DE, Babs would be the other, with Walker/Jerry in the mix at NT. The speed at LB would be phenomenal and should increase QB pressure.
by J Tadpole on Nov 23, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for any linebackers....
…who can make it happen against the pass.
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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 23, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're good at LB.
As fatalistic as I am, I think Lofton and Nicholas are among the best in the league. Peterson is a fine, fine stop-gap. He can’t run for 30 minutes, but he’s smart and fills the role until our next brilliant acquisition. TD can pick a linebacker. Now he just needs to pick up his game on D-linemen.
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by AnOldBird on Nov 24, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if our D switches to 3-4
would that mean that defensive coordinator would have to be replaced by a 3-4 expert?
by Gemini-RU on Nov 24, 2009 7:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
have to go 4-2?
I really do think the falcons can do that, with 2 games against Tampa, then Bufflalo and either the jets or the Eagles.
The saints passing attack may be a little much for that secondary.
by bull trout on Nov 23, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
PHI barely beat CHI @ CHI
We barely beat CHI @ home. It’s gonna be close.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"
by Zippo729 on Nov 23, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if it comes to picking Jets or Eagles
they’d better beat the Eagles, otherwise making it to 9-7 won’t be much different from 8-8 from the playoff perspective – Falcons would lose tie-breakers to virtually all contenders.
by Gemini-RU on Nov 24, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I predicted 10-6 season and I still see it that way...
you see, all we need to do is win the games we should win- like 2 vs tampa , buffalo, and the jets that puts us at 9 wins, now all we have to do is beat philly or the saints, both of which are at home, so very winnable games. So win just one of those 2 games and win the 4 games we should win will put us at 10-6 and possibly in the playoffs with the NFC being so closely bunched together this year except for the saints and vikings. The only problem is that even if we do go 10-6 and make the playoffs we will be on the road for our first game and that means one and done, since we can’t seem to win on the road at all- ONE WIN this season on the road- at SF. I know we will reach 9-7 without a doubt and break our streak of never having BTB winning seasons- I KNOW THIS WILL HAPPEN. But making the playoffs is a long shot and even if we do we’ll be knocked out the first game!! Same as last season!!
by ATLsince1972 on Nov 23, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think its very possible for you guys to make 9-7
but 10-6 seems to be a stretch.
Tampa and Buffalo should be an easy 3 wins, and hopefully you guys can beat the Eagles for us. The jets have an awesome defense, but it all depends on whether sanchez will be bad, or crappy.
Its an upwards battle, but that’s why they play the game
Single cover the real Steve Smith at your own peril
by Willgfass on Nov 23, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but if they do make it to the playoffs
it would mean they’d gone 5-1 or 4-2 (very long shot) in the last 6 to get there – and that would be a great momentum to carry into playoffs, and anything can happen there (secondary getting INT’s, Turner running all over the opponents, Elam making a 60-yarder – all those nice things). And most likely if they do get there, they’ll have a #6 seed, which would mean the first game @NFC East winner – and all three of potential NFC East champions were inconsistent this year.
by Gemini-RU on Nov 24, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The secondary
I think its hard to heap too much blame on the secondary when there is absolutely zero pas rush being generated, but I for one, am getting very tired of seeing our defensive backs face guarding as opposed to turning and looking for the ball. Its been going on all season, and the announcers yesterday wouldn’t shut up about it, and rightfully so. I was watching the game with a ton of giants fans, who believed that if Houston et al had been turning their heads to look for the ball, they would have gotten burnt even worse than the were…in my eyes, our secondary wasn’t getting burnt, but seemed all too content to allow the receiver to make the catch and to limit the yards after the grab.
Obviously if we had a great pass rush, the secondary would look better; heck if we even had a decent pass rush (which at times this season we have, although I am beginning to wonder if Abe is hurt, or if opposing tackles have learned his moves..or if he’s lost a step) the secondary would look much better, but unfortunately, we have little to no pass rush.
I am not ready to give up on this season, I still believe that the two Tampa games will be W’s, as will the Jets & Bills game; and I have a feeling we’ll knock off the saints in the dome, but even if that all comes true, this team is not winning more than 1 playoff game.
I think that we need to target defensive ends, or a pass rushing linebacker in free agency, and not in the draft, we can’t afford another Jamal.
by Hamburger on Nov 23, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good comments
No secondary can play great coverage without a pass rush. What is the problem with Abrahams? He has been nonexistant this season, wonder if he’s hurt or just his injuries and age showing a little? For some reason we also haven’t learned how to do blitzes well.
by mwalex on Nov 23, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From watching the highlights
Eli made all the throws yesterday. Coverage wasn’t terrible on the plays I saw, they were just All-Pro throws/catches.
Also, from what I saw, Abraham was in Eli’s face, it’s just that he wasn’t quite there.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"
by Zippo729 on Nov 23, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well put
Upgrading the DBs and pass rush should go hand in hand, they’re both critical to improving our pass defense.
This MUST be our top offseason priority, IMO. A team that can’t stop the passing game is simply doomed in today’s pass-happy NFL.
by tom slick on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
We have a solid corps of LBs, with two young guys that will be ours for the next decade (hopefully). I looked at the UFAs for 2010. Richard Marshall (Panthers DB) is gonna be a UFA, but there weren’t any other big names I saw.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"
by Zippo729 on Nov 23, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All the db's play the same game.
They play with their back to the qb, and never look back to find the ball. That’s coaching. If one guy or two guys play that way, it might be a lack of talent. But not if 5 do exactly the same thing. The only guy who didn’t play that way since Emmit Thomas came here is DHall. I didn’t like him, but (at the time) he had enough talent to overcome the coaching.
I think we have have talent on the defensive side of the ball, just not the coaching staff to get anything out of them.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!!
by AnOldBird on Nov 23, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
emmit thomas
while I agree that all of our Dbs (except for Brent Grimes) seem to face guard, I do not at all beleive this is a product of coaching (although i sarcastically joked otherwise in previous commnets). No other coach in the nfl that i know of teaches this strategy, I cant beleive Emmit Thomas would….
by Hamburger on Nov 23, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
D Hall
The Good DHall did make some plays, I will admit that, and I miss that kind of play.
But you have a point about DHall playing different than coached. It may explain why he didn’t get along with coaches and the team, because he did things his way. Hence the bad DHall.
by brotherbrown on Nov 25, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
coverage...abraham
i watched every down of yesterdays game, and i’d wager to say i’ve seen 99% of the falcons total snaps (offensively & defensively) this year. There are two distinctly different falcons defenses, the one that showed up yesterday & the one that showed up when Kroy Bierman, and Chauncey Davis, or Thomas DeCoud gets a pass rush. When we are able to create pressure, be it from the blitz, or from the front four (which is very rare, save for week 1, and week 3 or 4…) the secondary looks good; as you mentioned in your post, our corners seem to stay with opposing receivers very well, and this factor, coupled with good pressure (which again has been spotty at best this season) causes quarterbacks who are under duress to try and make perfect throws (which usually causes the opposite effect) or results in check downs (which are usually well covered by the strong suit of our d, the linebackers) or even better the rare pick or throw away. However, as I am sure you’ve gathered from the tone of my post, the good results have been few and far between. The line has failed to consistently generate pressure, the blitzs have also failed to consistently generate pressure, and lately opposing teams have picked up on the fact that our secondary is seemingly taught to face guard, and not look back for the ball.
You are correct, Abe was close to Eli a number of times, but this is not necessarily a good thing. First, I am sure it is frustrating as all hell for the predator to not come away with a quarterback hit or even better a sack. Second it serves to boost the quarterbacks confidence that the rush is always a step or two too slow, so he’ll step up into the pressure and deliver accurate passes like the ones we saw on sunday, and that we’ve seen all season (someone mentioned that qbs have career days against us on a weekl basis). This scenario has been all too familiar this season, Abe gets close, but more often than not, he gets no cigar.
I cant recall the birds having a consistent pass rush since we had Kerney and Rod Coleman on the line at the same time. If you remember, we added Abe to that line in order to create a pass rushing monster, and for 1 whole game (season opener against carolina) it was…then Kerney got hurt, and he and Abe were seemingly never on the field together at the same time.
The bottom line is, and will always be (and those of you who know / remember me, will probably remember my long rambling posts on this topic in the past) that this game is won and lost by the offensive and defensive lines. Its no surprise that when Matty Ice feels safe and secure, he looks like the next great qb, and when the line leaks like a sieve, he looks anywhere from good and poised, to happy footed and awful. More often than not the O-Line performs, however its been the same story for the D-Line the last two years…decent at stopping the run, awful at generating a pass rush.
Theres a few solutions; switch to the 3-4 (whcih someone suggested earlier) and try and generate a pass rush using nicholas and a newly signed pass rushing line backer (and most likely standing Abe up in obvious passing downs), which is the most unrealistic of the ideas. Option 2 involves signing a genuinely good pair of pass rushers in the offseason, and yes a pair, because 1 guy won’t cut it, especially if Abe has lost a step…option 3 is to roll the dice in the draft again and hope we don’t end up with another jamal…
by Hamburger on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we need a 3-4.
We don’t have the personnel for it.
What we do need, is a new DC, imo. We need a brave soul who blitzes like a nut. We have a good pair of safeties, we could do a Philly type of physical defense. We have the backers for that, too. Just need a good edge rusher, which we have, we’re just not getting him in the right stunts or what have you.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"
by Zippo729 on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3-4 may be an answer.
The current administration is having trouble coming up with D-tackles. 3-4 Ends and Linebackers are alot easier to find. 3-4 is all scheme to keep the offense off-balance and have folks running free. We would need a DC that understands it, can devise the schema, and teach it to the players.
We’re not there.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!!
by AnOldBird on Nov 24, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The 3-4 relies on a 360 pound DT in the middle.
We aren’t packing one of those and they’re hard to find. They’re arguably the most important part aside from OLB. We could make the transistion if we get Terence Cody from Bama.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!"
by Zippo729 on Nov 24, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Smith's type of defense is the antithesis of the 3-4...
He likes the 4-3 with quick DL and MLBs that can cover a lot of space. He’s not going to switch…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
by NaGaNole on Nov 24, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I tip my hat to the Falcons.
4th quarter comeback from 14 down to tie at 31 and send it to OT.
Ryan used all his weapons on the 2 TD drives and must have had a perfect QB rating. Only 2 incompletions and those were in the hands of the receivers. Snelling made some clutch runs. Passes were caught by White, Jenkins, Peele. Weems had the 1st TD.
Gonzalez’ TD to tie the game was a classic. Giants only had 2 defenders on him instead of the 3 they had been using so it was a cinch. I’ll remember that catch for a long time.
Lofton and many others came up big as well in a road game against a healthy, talented, and rested team that was equally desparate for a win.
I saw this game as defining the Falcon character. They have a lot of heart – enough to take them into the playoffs and do damage this year.
by WarWolf on Nov 25, 2009 10:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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