If Michael Turner Is Out, Let's Discuss Our Other Options
There's a lot of reports swirling around about just what's going to happen to Michael Turner this weekend, and almost all of them are a cause for concern.
Pretty much everyone seems to agree that Turner has sprained his ankle, but the severity of that sprain seems to be in doubt. If you listen to Dr. Roddy White, Turner will play this weekend. Listen to Mike Smith and that's a little less specific "confident" that he'll play again in 2009. And everything in between.
I would personally put the likelihood that Turner plays this week at like 25%, which leaves us to sort through our remaining options and figure out who we'll be trotting out against the Giants. The obvious choice for a feature back is Jason Snelling, who runs like an angry bull and can even catch a pass or two. Given the health and talent level of everyone else on the roster, he's pretty much the default. It's also a really cool thing to see a former seventh round pick who has battled epilepsy his whole life getting ready to start for the Falcons. Here's hoping he has a good week.
Beyond that, health really is going to play a role. Aaron Stecker has been re-signed and is available to go, but he's not exactly an elite option and will chiefly be useful for spelling Snelling. If Jerious Norwood is healthy, he could easily get ten touches and make an immediate impact with his speed, but I'm not sure he's going to be up for the game on Sunday. Unless we're willing to drop someone else off the roster to make room for another back, we really don't have any other options.
Now that we've established that, feel free to take a crack at predicting how this will all go down and how well our rushing attack will fare against the Giants.
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Are you smelling what Snelling's cooking up for us?
It’s called “getting the job done.”
Expect Turner to sit, everyone. They will not take their chances with this one.
Norwood will be back, but limited.
We will likely try to run it hard and often hear, to get Matty back into the swing of things. A good balanced offense will improve his rhythm.
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If Norwood is back, I don’t think we’ll be too bad off. Snelling was actually a bit of a bright spot in our offense against Carolina and is clearly capable of big production. If not, I’m pretty worried, we really need at least a little depth in the run game.
by Mountvillainy on Nov 17, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm praying
That Roddy White is Roddy Right.
/lame pun
But seriously, if Mike can play for us, I would feel MUCH more comfortable.
Bringing Stecker back tells me
Antone Smith isn’t ready for prime time yet. Although he is still on the practice squad
Snelling
i think is gonna get the start and he will be productive the giants D isns’t the D from years ago. I hope the coaching staff realizes that Matt is struggling and cut some of those bad plays out the playbook. Snelling, Norwood, Stecker, Haynes every one of them should get chances to run the ball. Maybe we can surprise the giants and Matty will throw all over the giants pretty bad pass D
yeah well
I like snelling (he is a beast). But at the same time, he is no Turner. I think we should look at Larry Johnson (unless cleveland already signed him). I think that Edge James can still run pretty well too. I am sure there are others available. Stecker is not going to be any major assistance. We need to sign someone in my opinion.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 17, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions
Cincy signed him
So I think that’s out the window.
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Has he been picked up by anyone?
by MostlyCorndog on Nov 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Or
What happened to our Zombie Robot? Get him in there, write “Brainzoil” on the ball, and tell him there are more cans of it in the endzone. I’d be willing to bet he would run through everyone to get at some of that action.
Corey Zickefoose: I think they should still be able to play football, regardless. Tennessee is my place. You know, it's my football team.
Reporter: Even after they put a gun in your face, you say let them play football?
Corey Zickefoose: Yeah. It's Tennessee. That's the way it is sometimes.
Welcome to the SEC!
Snelling played quite well Sunday
I love the guy, but it’s scary that he’s practically our only attractive option at RB right now (Norwood aside). If HE gets dinged up, we are in a world of trouble.
Run it down Giants throats!
Wouldnt it be interesting to put Snelling and Norwood both in the backfield and shove it down the Giants throat. This could allow Ryan to run the offense without feeling the pressure that has been on him in recent weeks. Do we have any screen pass plays in our playbook? Coaching staff needs to evaluate play calling and our team needs to get back to more ground and pound!
by Gjmoody on Nov 17, 2009 2:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How about some screen passes?
I have yet to see more than one screen pass per game this year or last for that matter.
BTW, Dave, Congrats on winning Jeff Schultz’s blog roll! Definitely deserved.
Snelling, Norwood and Stecker
Could all take advantage of screen passes, and I think we’d be a fool not to trot a couple out against the Giants. Thanks for the kind words, by the way!
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Without Turner...
the giants will pin their ears back and come after ryan full force. This means we MUST run some screen passes to slowdown their pass rush to help ryan out as much as possible.!!! I think we can still beat the giants, but withput a doubt this game becomes a MUST WIN game for us!!!!!!!!!!
LETS GO FALCONS!!
L-DAWG
Just the everyone on this site
I’m a fan too but I think we have to be realistic. If Turner can’t go then we are really in trouble. The only think that was working for us was the run. We all have to admit that Ryan is having a bad mid-season so I personally can’t rely on him to carry the team. If Ryan can’t get the ball to our receivers then our run game with Snelling and Co. will definitely be off. I still think we’ll have a winning season (9-7) but we’re not a playoff team this year. Sorry Gonzo!
I'm very inclined to agree
We need another quality off-season picking up some defensive pieces before we return to the playoffs. At this point, a 9-7 finish would make me happy, and I’m rooting hard for that. The playoffs would be awesome, though.
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OK ... fine, I'll go there
I’m gonna regret ever putting this down in text, but here goes: Snelling isn’t all that bad of an alternative. I think it’s slightly fatalistic to say that we cannot win absent Burner, heck, we were on a roll without Burner (not in the literal sense – rather, in the “Where did the Burner from last year go?” kinda way) at the beginning of the season.
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
I'm with YOU Franky...
I don’t feel hopeless about the running game. Snelling was a little better at hitting the hole early in the season, but he doesn’t have the breakaway speed or power. He’s a very good option.
If Jerious can be added into the mix, we have an inside/outside combo. That’ll be fun!
We still need some schemes to punish an over-agressive line (various screens, draws, and skinny posts) and buy Ryan some time to throw downfield later.
Let’s go hunt us some G-mens!
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!!
Need an EDGE?!?!?!
You know what to do TD …
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
I know this isn't the rant post
But I’m generally opposed to bring ancient, creaky running backs who have basically bombed out at their last stop to the Falcons. I’d rather roll the dice on a young guy with promise than an old guy who can pick up 15 yards on 5 carries.
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I don't know ...
James is not the RB he once was, but you’re telling me he wouldn’t have a better impact than Haynes? If we’re paying him the veteran minimum, that’s like $250K for the rest of this season out of our pocket.
He did well in the playoffs last year. So while I see your point, I’m not suggesting that he could or should start over Snelling, only that he’d be a valuable insurance policy going forward (especially if we start to sniff the playoffs again).
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
Now I see your point
I would’ve taken Larry Johnson over Verron Haynes, frankly. I just thought if we were going to cut anyone else to make room for Edge, I wouldn’t be interested.
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Warrick Dunn, baby!
Bring ‘em back. I’m pretty sure he was at the ’Skins game…
Of all the RBs out there,
He definitely holds the most sentimental value with me, and I think I can safely say I speak for most Birds fans with that.
He’d be a good alternative to Snelling. Dunn can (or….could) run between the tackles but was very elusive at the POA. That especially helps the change of backfield because you can run one play with Dunn and he’ll dance through the hole and then you can run the same play with Bulldozer Snelling and they won’t know what hit them. It’s almost like calling two different plays, but it keeps the blocking patterns easy and fresh in the OL’s heads.
Dunn was awesome...
…but he’s a Buc at heart. If he came back to the NFL for anyone, it’d be for them.
I dunno..
I think Warrick would play for anyone who would let him. He didn’t retire, he was released by a new coach.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!!
gotta agree
with Franky , we’re not looking for someone for future seasons , just a finger in the dyke (so to speak)
with Norwood getting injured a lot this year, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to bring a young guy in ( free agent or late draft). If this develops into a trend for Norwood it would be good to have another speedy back ready to go.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Nov 17, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of fingers in dikes...
Oh, sorry I cant say that here. I agree, it should be someone just for the remainder of the season.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 18, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
At the risk of being called a homer...
I’ll tell you why I expect the Giants to win, even after a 4-game losing streak.
1. Health
In Week 9, I knew all these things: DTs Robbins and Cofield had surgery in the off season and aren’t back to their old selves yet; DT Alford has been on IR since training camp; starting DT Chris Canty has played in only 2 games; DE Osi Umenyiora was out all last year and still isn’t right this year; DE Justin Tuck has a shoulder injury that forces him to wear a harness; FS Kenny Phillips who had 2 INTs in Week 2 has been on IR since Week 3; starting CB Aaron Ross hasn’t played a single game this year – preseason or regular; starting LB Michael Boley missed 4 weeks due to knee surgery and tweaked the knee in his first game back; QB Eli Manning has plantar facsciitis; #2 RB Bradshaw has been playing with a broken toe and a high ankle sprain for weeks; #3 RB Ware was injured on the opening kickoff in Week 1, missed 7 games, and has only 2 carries this season; and lastly, rookie LB Clint Sintim who was thought to become the starter this year missed 5 games due to a groin pull and has been slow in his development.
Fast forward to Week 11 and here’s what I know: everyone is back and healthy or healthier except Phillips and Alford, who are on IR. It doesn’t mean that guys are 100% but they’re better than they’ve been all year, which means the Giants are the healthiest they’ve been all year.
2. Pressuring the QB
The Falcons had a hard time pressuring Delhomme last week and it cost them. Abraham isn’t bringing it. The Giants have a better O-line so it’ll be even harder to get to Eli. The Giants aren’t geting as many sacks as they’d like but they are near the top in pressure the QB. Which QB handles it better? Well, according to ProFootballFocus.com, Ryan has a 22.9 rating when under pressure while Eli has a 91.8 rating – not good for Falcons fans.
3. Michael Turner’s health
The Giants are known for their defense but it hasn’t been healthy most of the year. Although it’s much healther now, coming off a bye and a losing streak, the last thing you want is to face a hot Michael Turner. He probably won’t play and even if he does, he won’t be his usual self. That’s a big plus for NYG.
4. Giants Stadium
Giants Stadium, a rickety stadium befitting of the NJ swamplands, is notoriously windy. It was uncharacteristically calm when the Chargers visited but that’s besides the point. Ryan has 10 INTs in his last 5 games, 7 of which have been in 3 road games. With his struggles on the road and with a windy Giants stadium, I think the Giants can get Ryan to turn the ball over. He might take a few more chances since he won’t be able to rely upon Turner as much or at all.
5. Pride and Opportunity
Before the Plax shooting, most Giants fans and players expected Big Blue to win the Super Bowl. They beat Pitt at Pitt and Philly at Philly. Without Plax, they beat Arizona at Arizona. However, the Giants couldn’t overcome losing Plax when facing a division opponent in the playoffs. I cannot tell you how disappointed both fans and players were after that lost. If it were any other team but Philly, a thorn in the Giants’ collective side, things may have ended differently but I digress. All off season, Coughlin and the players talked about redemption and finishing what they started last year. If they have any pride and heart, they take advantage of the opportunity they were handed when Philly, Dallas, and ATL lost last week.
I 100% agree with you.
And I’m a Falcons fan. Sad case, no?
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by Adam Schultz on Nov 18, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
#2 on your list
Seems pretty on point. The Birds need to protect Ryan and hold on to the ball to win. If your D line is healthy, this could be the Birds downfall this week.
Rebuttal to point #2
Last year (2008 season) Eli had a 38.9 QB Rating when pressured, and Ryan a 62.0 QB Rating in those situations. Did Eli suddenly figure out how to handle the pressure, and more importantly, did Ryan suddenly forget? No, it’s because Ryan’s 2009 numbers are based on only 56 passes. Plus, I’m not a big fan of QB Rating – especially in small samples (like QB Rating for a single game), because it can be swung wildly by a few TD’s or INT’s.
Obviously, he’s struggling. But he’s not “22.9 QB Rating” struggling…
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
It's a telling number
To me, plays under pressure help define a QB. I’m not saying that other plays don’t matter but any NFL QB can play well if you give him plenty of time. Let’s see him put up numbers when he’s out of his comfort zone, with someone in his face, with the pocket collapsing on him. I don’t think the numbers are insignificant.
Eli Manning lost his big WR, Plaxico Burress, and his most reliable WR, Amani Toomer. He’s playing with a 3rd year WR, a 2nd year WR, and a rookie WR. Before the season, the Giants WRs were considered inadequate, at best, and terrible, at worst. The fear was that people would stack the box and force Eli to beat them. According to many experts and fans, Eli couldn’t do it without a big #1 WR. Add the fact that 1,000-yd rusher Ward wasn’t resigned and RB Brandon Jacobs is having a down year, I’d say that Eli has performed mostly admirably.
Pardon my ignorance but has Ryan lost anyone from his 2008 offense? I know that he was given Tony Gonzalez, who just last year posted 96 rec. and 1,058 yards for the lowly Chiefs. Maybe it’s a sophomore slump or that defenses are doing better against him with more tape. Regardless, if his numbers say that he has a 22.9 Rating under pressure this year then that’s what he has – and that’s a big difference compared to Eli’s 91.8.
We lost our Wes Welker impression.
Our slot guy, Harry Douglas (a rookie last year), went down in training camp with an ACL tear. He was gonna have a good year, too :‘( We don’t have anyone that has his skill set to replace him, so we’re essentially playing a cylinder down.
Some of the guys around here think he’s focusing on Tony G. too much and trying to force the ball to him instead of checking over his options. Jenkins is having a down season and Roddy White is playing well but isn’t playing like Larry Fitzgerald this year.
And as you know, Turner only found how to run about 3 weeks ago, so you could say we hadn’t had him until recently.
It’s been an up and down season. I can’t say we expected to have 2 or 3 losses at this point, but our losses have been ugly.
whatever
you wont be beating anyone. the Falcons suck right now. Enjoy flogging a dead horse? then enjoy.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Nov 18, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
This might be a good thing for everyone who's a Norwood fan.
If he’s ready to go, he will get the bulk of the carries. Time to see what he is made of…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
I still think Snelling will get the bulk of the carries
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by Dave Choate on Nov 18, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
If Turner is out?
If?! I haven’t seen anything official, but I thought it was a “high ankle sprain”. Everything I’m seeing puts that at a 4 week injury. Here’s stuff from Football Outsiders, on Kyle Orton’s “high” ankle sprain last season:
Orton had a forced deflection of his foot while his leg stayed stable, the classic mechanism for a high ankle sprain. According to sources, the diagnostic delay is over whether Orton tore the ligaments (which would require surgery) or just has a severe sprain (avoiding surgery). Even the lesser of these two evils is going to cost him about a month, though Orton’s not a terribly mobile quarterback in the first place.
A high ankle sprain refers to damage to tissue located between the two leg bones, the tibia and fibula. The tissue is an interosseous membrane and is basically a broad flat ligament holding the tibia and fibula together. This is so important in the ankle because the tibia and fibula together make up the superior half of the ankle joint. Any give/slip/loose-ness in this area makes the ankle unstable.
D. Orlando Ledbetter thinks 2 weeks:
Turner should be held out of the Giants game because he too valuable to risk additional injury. Then you don’t really need him against Tampa Bay. He’d have two weeks for rehab and therapy and should have a shot in the "Vick Returns to the Dome" Bowl on Dec. 6.
Unless the team is hiding some info, I think there’s almost zero chance of him playing this week. That means Snelling is the man. I think he’ll be fine. Stecker, Haynes, and Ovie can each handle a couple runs or passes. If Norwood is able to come back, that’s just a bonus. I think the running game will be OK. I’m much more concerned with Ryan and the defense right now…
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
It's very close to zero
But I didn’t want to say “no way” and then have Turner show up, run for 100 yards and pop my head like a grape. The team is playing this one awfully close to the vest.
And I share your concerns. Snelling will do just fine.
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I would expect them to keep quiet about it.
If there’s ANY doubt about it at all, the Giants will have to spend time preparing for Turner at the risk of being completely destroyed by him if he does show up.
They won’t confirm or deny until the weekend when the Giants can’t prepare anymore, I imagine.

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