Lets talk draft!
Yeah, this is how I'm going to cope. No dwelling on today here. The season was awesome, but we as Falcons fans finally have a team that we can look forward to competing for years to come. So, with that in mind, lets take a look at the draft.
Offense-We're pretty much set. A team can never have too many offensive linemen, and some of ours are getting up there in age, but other than that, I really don't see much need to spend a pick on that side of the ball. This should be a defensively loaded draft for the Falcons.
Defense-The biggest areas of need, if you ask me, are a disruptive, pass rushing defensive tackle in the mold of Rod Coleman and a linebacker to replace Keith F'ing Brooking (his new name forever, as far as I am concerned. I pin today's loss entirely on him. Ok, so I dwelt a little. Sue me.) Also of need, though perhaps slightly lesser, are a safety to groom as a replacement for Milloy and a bigger, more physical cornerback who can match up with a big wide receiver better than a guy like Houston or Grimes could. I'm not giving up on Anderson just yet. So an outside linebacker and an DT. Without knowing who would be available at pick twenty-whatever (it does feel awesome to have a pick that late, doesn't it?) I would prefer to work on the defensive line first. So who would y'all have in mind at those positions? Think I'm off base on what needs help? C'mon. Lets chat.
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I think we need a play-making TE
Someone with good hands that Ryan can throw to.
by phoenix falcoholic on
Jan 4, 2009 1:04 AM EST
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Pelle could be that answer.
Okay so he doesn’t have the skill set, like speed or the biggest guy. But today he played solid and caught the ball when we needed to.
by Grayson on
Jan 4, 2009 2:35 AM EST
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Pelle can stick around
But he isn’t the future. And that’s what the good Comrade/Smitty will likely pursue IMO.
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 4, 2009 7:30 PM EST
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Good point
I forgot about that. Although, Peele and Hartsock performed well at the position as it was used. I wonder if the team really wants to use the tight end as a consistent pass catching threat as opposed to one more big body to generally just block, though.
by SG Standard on
Jan 4, 2009 9:24 AM EST
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Best Case Scenario
This may seem like overkill. But keep Hartsock, keep Pelle, draft Pettigrew. Thoughts?
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 4, 2009 7:31 PM EST
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Anybody but Marcus Pollard
It was like his hands had been dipped in butter during yesterday’s game. I really like Pettigrew (OK State). He is an excellent pass blocker/great hands. Fits our need perfectly IMO.
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 4, 2009 7:30 PM EST
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Here's some names
Just some guys who might be available when the Falcons pick
DT-BJ Raji, Boston College, Sen’Derrick Marks, Auburn
OLB-Brian Cushing, USC (we would probably need him to slip a bit)
Just glancing around at various websites and seeing what players are likely to be available, the more I think the team should try and jump on a DT in the first round. There are too many holes on defense to go OL or TE in the first round. After Cushing, who could easily be gone by the time the Falcons are on the clock, there seems to be a drop off at outside linebacker.
Of course, free agency could easily change all this. I think the biggest target the Falcons should go after is Albert Haynesworth. Should they manage to sign him, all DT worries go out the window. A rotation of him, Grady, and Babs would be more than the team could hope for. Also, replacing Brooking could free up the ability in the draft. I think that Nicholas has enough speed and tackling ability to be an outside linebacker in our 4-3, not just as a speed rusher when we go to three down linemen. We know that Boley is more than capable in pass coverage. Despite his down year, I still think the team should keep him around. Putting those two on the outside with Lofton in the middle, or using them as the two linebackers in a nickel coverage would also be an upgrade over Brooking. Should the team be able to pull off moves such as these, they might be able to look towards the secondary in the early rounds.
by SG Standard on
Jan 4, 2009 12:26 PM EST
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Haynesworth: Dude has attitude issues. I’d like if he’ll shup up and play/not step on anyone’s face. That’ll depend on how frisky the Comrade is feeling come the draft.
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 4, 2009 7:33 PM EST
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ALSO
I’d love Nicholas to be Brooking’s replacement … but his lack of playing time this year makes me think he isn’t as good as we’d need him to be.
I’ll be surprised to see Grady in a Falcons uni next year. He’s been great, and I love him. But if Trey Lewis is anywhere near healthy and the front office continues to build for the future, I’d think there won’t be a roster spot for him.
Boley is someone we should ABSOLUTELY re-sign. He’s had a bad year, but that might work to our advantage in the form of a discounted contract.
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 4, 2009 7:36 PM EST
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great point
i forgot all about trey lewis. him and babs would make a nasty duo.
by iloveroddywhite on
Jan 5, 2009 3:40 AM EST
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wat?
Color me unimpressed. He’s pretty clearly raw and no Grady Jackson.
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by iRonin on
Jan 5, 2009 10:45 PM EST
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Grady is no Grady
One more chicken wing, and he may not be able to walk.
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 5, 2009 11:42 PM EST
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Oh
And the Birds had the 25th ranked rushing D in the league last year. Not saying that’s all Grady’s fault (I blame everyone!). But we clearly need an upgrade at DT. Also, Grady is 35 yrs old.
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 5, 2009 11:53 PM EST
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I certainly agree, I’m just not sold on Trey Lewis quite yet.
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by iRonin on
Jan 6, 2009 2:52 AM EST
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why not make an attempt at haynesworth. we definitely need to look for a replacement for milloy heshowed yesterday he’s slowing down .brooking also needs replaced
by jtdawg on
Jan 4, 2009 12:35 PM EST
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my thoughts
Without knowing whos coming back and not knowing how deep the draft is going to be, its anybody’s guess but our D was pretty shaky and Oline still needs a body or 2.
But assuming the roster stays intact the biggest needs I see:
1) A fast, playmaking linebacker – I love Brooking but all his tackles are 7-10 yards down field.
2) DE to compliment Abraham and add depth in case he gets hurt
3) Nosetackle who’ll plug up the middle
4) A center who can open up the middle. McClure is on the small side and is not as young as he used to be
5) TE. Peele can make a play here and there and has good instincts but he can’t block and isn’t going to break any long plays
6) DBs – Never have too many
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by zooker on
Jan 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST
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3. We don’t need a NT. We have Trey Lewis. He should be good-to-go by next season, so we need to pursue a more dynamic DT. Like a young, well-behaved-non-waterskiing version of Rod Coleman.
4. We have bigger needs along the O-Line. McClure isn’t a spring flower no more, but he’ll give us another year or two. I’d say our biggest need is RT. Clabo is a nice guy, he plays hard, but he absolutely SHOULD NOT be starting in this league. Arizona’s D-Line made him look like a powder puff player out there. Sheesh! Draft a solid tackle Comrade! Pleeeeeeeeeeeease!
I’m with ya on the rest.
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 4, 2009 7:40 PM EST
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McClure
You’re probably right that we could wring another few years out of McClure, but there’s an even better question to ask than “Can we?” it’s “Should we?”
I would say “No” because what I think helps offensive lines the most is consistency, and if we’re just going to be pushing McClure out in a couple of years and replacing him with someone else, why not do it now so that the team can be gelling during that time? I’m a big fan of taking a genuine first round C when available (just so happens there’s one this year). Especially with Ryan running the no-huddle having a Jeff Saturday type to make the line calls would certainly give us a much more Manning-esque offense that we could have ever dreamed under Vick.
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by iRonin on
Jan 5, 2009 10:48 PM EST
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McClure
Might be an issue in a couple of years. I am assuming you watched the game on Saturday. Clabo got smeared all over that field like mayo on bread. We need a solid RT (which Clabo is not) NOW. We need a replacement for McClure is a year or so.
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 5, 2009 11:43 PM EST
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"is a year or so" SHOULD READ "in a year or so"
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 5, 2009 11:54 PM EST
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cushing
is a monster, and would probably be a top 10 pick if maulaluga didnt take all the publicity in the USC lb corps. i think hes a must have and we need to snag him. we can always get fili moala a dt from USC in the second too. he has first round skill set, just needs a better work ethic. smitty could change that too.
by iloveroddywhite on
Jan 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST
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LBs.
Seriously, just want to know “WTF?”
I mean, I’m obviously with you, we need some help at LB, but WTF? Coming into the season I would have told you that our LBs were our strongest suit, and potentially one of the best in the NFC and possibly one of the best in the NFL. We had one of the most promising rookie LBs in the draft, who was going to run MLB, and allow our cagey vet back to his more “natural” position, so we could expect a boost from there, and the other side was bookended by a darn-near Pro Bowler.
Now we’re wondering whether to keep Boley and how far to kick Brooking to the curb. And we still drafted like 8 freaking linebackers ANYWAYS.
Part of me wonders about scheme, but I’ll be honest with you, I’m just not smart enough to figure it out. Was Boley overachieving last year due to Zimmer’s D? Was Brooking always going downhill like this and we just shrugged it off because he was moved out of his “natural” position? (This about Brooking seems likely to me, but I don’t know about the Boley deal). Or is it a difficulty with THIS team’s scheme? LB’s have a different role in the Cover 2, but I’m mostly savy on the Tampa 2 (mid-deep middle coverage for MLB), so do we just not have the “right” personnel for our scheme? Do we just have crappy LBs?
Any thoughts o’ wise and powerful internet readers? I have absolutely no answers, but I’m hopeful since you guys are clearly a bit more savvy than me :-)
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by iRonin on
Jan 5, 2009 10:54 PM EST
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My 2 Cents...
What about helping our Secondary by picking up Nnamdi Asomugha in the offseason? I know it would be difficult for him to leave Oakland, but should he come out I would hope that the Falcons at least get in the running. Unlike Albert Haynesworth there are no character issues, if fact Asomugha is very active in the community and seems to be a perfect fit in the direction this team is going.
After that, we could then pursue a DT or OLB in the 1st, and TE or Safety in the 2nd.
Any thoughts?
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by Pregame with Pabst on
Jan 5, 2009 3:00 PM EST
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Aso
I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
I’m probably alone on this, but I actually like our secondary DBs. Don’t forget, we’ve got Von Hutchins coming back. Between Hutchins, Foxworth, Houston and Grimes, that’s pretty talented DBs, or at least serviceable (certainly not in Aso’s class), especially if we can upgrade our pass rush.
Having no real threat aside from Abraham with a side of Babineaux, means QBs have a long time to get rid of the ball, and not Aso, or Champ Bailey or Deion Sanders is going to be able to cover a WR forever.
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by iRonin on
Jan 5, 2009 10:57 PM EST
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No Particular Order. Mostly.
Unless some spectacular value falls into our lap, our #1 probably isn’t going to actually be our biggest position of need (DL IMO).
I think our options there are:
TE, S, C.
Personally I like taking Alex Mack at C. He’s a true first-round C, a rare-breed, and a C like that can make a no-huddle run smoothly. Ask Peyton Manning, you can have Jeff Saturday when you pry him from his cold dead hands (in a purely non-sexual way).
I’d like to see some LB help since we seem to be in such dire straits at that position, somehow. I’d like to see upgrades at S and RT as well.
So I’d suggest:
1.) Alex Mack.
2.) S/LB/RT to me, these positions need talent and go quickly, though RT can probably come later, and really that superstar center is probably a dream only I have. Thus, I’d expect our first two picks to be S or LB.
3.) DT.
4.) DE.
5.) Blocking TE I know I know, why does Ryan need a blocking TE? He needs a pass-catcher. I’d rather be developing a blocking TE’s hands than a catching TE’s blocking. I don’t think we need a crazy TE, and we can find good value, and hopefully someone who can run in the flats, take a hit and help keep Ryan upright.
6.) Gizflipping KR/PR. I like Douglas and Norwood back there, but I’d to see them take an injury on a return and more to the point, it’s pretty clear they aren’t really well-versed in the job. I mean, they’re clearly better than Adam Jennings, but then again, if our options are Adam Jennings and no return man at all, I say send all 11 after the kicker.
7.) Uh…… Whatever. DB. This is normally where I beg and kick and scream and plead with Rich McKay to get a farbing shaz K so we don’t have to call Morten Anderson out of retirement in Week 2. With Elam, I don’t really even know what to do. I guess take a DB or LB, or maybe trade it for a DB or an LB. Oooh, I know, buy a vowel!
ANOTHER THING!
Okay, so let me say this: I would draft almost NO ONE from UGA. I love the Dawgs, but anyone that has that much problem with D and tackling, I’ve gotta just say no too. They’re a project on a team that’s already got too many holes and just lost a farbing playoff game because of a lack of discipline. HOWEVER, that said, there’s one exception: Rennie Curran. “But, iRonin,” you say (in your best British accent) “doesn’t he seem a little small for a LB in the NFL?” And I say “Knock off that stupid accent, and we’re not drafting a LB, we’re drafting our SS…”
C’mon, think about it. Here’s some unsubstantiated numbers:
Rennie Curran “5’11” 202 4.54 40":http://georgia.scout.com/a.z?s=135&p=8&c=1&nid=2380445
Ed Reed “5’11” 200 4.57 40":http://www.google.com/search?q=ed20reed204020yard20dash
Just something to think about….
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by iRonin on
Jan 5, 2009 11:14 PM EST
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iRonin hearts Alex Mack
Kidding. But seriously. How do you figure that McClure is currently/will be in the next two years more of a liability than Clabo?!
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 5, 2009 11:45 PM EST
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I don’t recall saying that at any point. Perhaps I wasn’t very clear. I feel like the C position has a rare talent available at a position of some need, and by addressing it with that rare talent we upgrade the line in a way that is impossible by plugging in a RT. Evidence: Manning/Saturday connection. Finding an RT happens. Finding Jeff Saturday doesn’t. He’s instrumental in participating in the no-huddle, and is crucial to making line calls. He also blocks. Their RT just blocks.
I think an upgrade at RT would be a fine idea. If you’ve got a good prospect for a first round pick for RT, I’m all ears, but no one springs to my mind. At the point that there’s a viable candidate for that pick on the table, then it’s a balancing not only of McClure’s long-term viability but also a weighing of what that RT brings (blocking) and what Alex Mack brings (blocking, line-calls, cerebral OL play, snapping). It’s not a fluke that there aren’t many C’s taken in the first round. Mack probably won’t end up here, but I think Ryan’s no-huddle could get a lot more use (a la Colts of 2-4 years ago) with his addition.
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by iRonin on
Jan 6, 2009 2:58 AM EST
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Gotcha
Look at most of the draft projections. They have 5-6 offensive tackles going ahead of Mack in the draft. Mack isn’t a guaranteed first rounder, although the combine may change that.
I guess that’s where my thinking lies. Yeah, Mack could be the next Jeff Saturday, but that’s an awfully complimentary comparison.
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 6, 2009 2:21 PM EST
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Hmmm
I think we’ve been through the whole “don’t draft UGA players” thing before. So I won’t go in depth there. But I will say this: I think that Comrade/Smitty/Blank could give two shits where a player went to school. For good reason.
BUT … I think your Curran idea is very intriguing. Isn’t it funny that Urlacher moved from SS to LB?
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by FrankyWren on
Jan 5, 2009 11:58 PM EST
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I agree it is quite irrelevant where a player went to school. Much like it’s quite irrelevant where students go to school. They’re just names on pieces of paper.
What’s important is what you learn there. If you learned crap, then your prospective employer now has a new task ahead of you, a task they would not have had if they had drafted someone who had learned, say, not-crap at their school. It’s not because it’s UGA that I say don’t draft them, it’s because they’re not very disciplined and with few exceptions can’t tackle worth beans. There are plenty of other players in the draft to take at similar positions (few of Georgia’s D is considered “rare” talent) that DO know how to tackle and execute with discipline.
I suppose the only real reason why one would even entertain this is because they expect those Georgia players to be had “on the cheap.” That is, I can get an LB from other schools that have demonstrated proper tackling and disciplined football, but I have to give up a 4th Round pick instead of a 5th or 6th Round pick. But at that point, you’re probably going to get what you pay for. I suspect this coaching staff knows that particular maxim.
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by iRonin on
Jan 6, 2009 3:06 AM EST
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Rennie truly is an exception
Seriously. He’s at least a year from coming out, but I would KILL to have him on the Falcons. He is a rocket powered, laser guided, vertically challenged tackling machine. I even think 5’11 is a bit generous, but it doesn’t matter. He is a first round talent who will probably slip because he is undersized. I can only hope that he keeps on wearing Red and Black after his days in Athens are done. I have never thought about him as a safety, but he will make a killer WLB one day soon.
by SG Standard on
Jan 6, 2009 12:00 AM EST
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One thing that's nice...
Is that I suspect this year we will have to rely less on the draft to pick up some good players. With the stunning turnaround, a pack of young stars on the offense, and the Coach Of The Year, ATL should be WAY more appealing to potential big name free agents.
And of course ATL is general is a pretty happening city and I think way more appealing than say Detroit, Kansas City, Green Bay, etc….
I am not too familiar with our cap situation next year, do we have some coin to sling around next year?
In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.
by runningback on
Jan 6, 2009 3:37 PM EST
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5 extra million or more.
That’s at least two signing bonuses. We’ll have about 6 or so immediate money for rookies and 5 for FAs. We’ll have a very productive offseason, I expect.
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by tlozwarlock on
Jan 6, 2009 6:02 PM EST
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Drafting a Tight End
How bout Chase Coffman or Florida’s Cornelius Ingram?
by cousinwalter on
Jan 8, 2009 4:17 PM EST
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Or OK State's Pettigrew?!?!
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Jan 8, 2009 5:29 PM EST
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