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The Great Roster Breakdown: Tight End

We kick this off fresh today with one of the weakest positions on the roster, where Alge Crumpler's departure means the Falcons are going to war with two guys who can't catch and one giant question mark.

Let' s see who will triumph in this sad breakdown, after the jump.

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If you were taking a tight end to round out your fantasy team, you'd definitely take a shot on Milner before anyone else on the roster. He's got some semblance of an ability to catch the ball and quite a bit of athleticism. It wouldn't be a stretch, if he stayed healthy, to pencil him in for 30 catches.

The problem is that Milner is now part of an offensive system that rarely emphasizes the pass-catching tight end. Mike Mularkey's body of work suggests that Milner could have a role on this team, but he's going to have to improve his blocking to stay on the field ahead of Ben Hartsock. In fact, Milner is probably a victim of simple circumstance more than anything else; if Petrino were still coach (God forbid), Milner would be the likely successor to Crumpler.

I'll go ahead and boldly predict 20 catches for Milner alongside a pair of touchdowns. I'd be shocked if Hartsock wasn't starting most of the time, and having Roddy White alongside Laurent Robinson and Harry Douglas probably means the ball isn't going to be heading his way that often. Still, this could be a good chance for Milner to turn himself into a more complete tight end--and if he does, he'll be the starter by the end of the year.

Final Grade: C

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Ladies and gentlemen, meet your likely starting tight end for 2008! Ben Hartsock is a Titans import who never met a block he didn't like to throw, which makes him the early favorite to open the season as a starter. Hartsock can catch a little (a very little) and isn't likely to be utilized as a receiver unless everyone else on the field is injured simultaneously.

That being said, he's a very underrated blocker. With good size and footwork, Hartsock can serve well as a sort of mobile mini-lineman on rushing downs and as a downfield blocker when needed on passing downs. He's a good fit for what Mularkey and Mike Smith envision a tight end to be, and for that he's very likely to play a prominent role with the team.

Still, given his relative lack of pass catching ability and speed, it's hard to view him as a complete tight end. Like Milner, let's give him a middle of the road grade unless he suddenly improves.

Final Grade: C

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Ah, Keith Zinger. A seventh round draft pick in this year's draft, Zinger is essentially a younger version of Ben Hartsock. Like Hartsock, he's not well known for the catching the ball, with blocking definitely standing out as his specialty. After suffering from intestinal tract issues in college, he will likely need some conditioning before he becomes a real threat at the pro level. Still, with only Jason Rader and Brad Listorti challenging him, Zinger again seems to fit the system well and seems to me like a near lock to make this team.

He's definitely not a lock to have value, though. If the only time he sees the field is in two tight end sets, Zinger isn't likely to make anyone stand up and notice unless he knocks somebody on their ass. With the likelihood of him doing anything being pretty low, so is his grade.

Final Grade: D+

Analysis: My major issue here is that there's nobody who fits the definition of a complete tight end. Crumpler had a lot of injury woes the last couple years, but you knew he could catch and you knew he could block 90% of the time. This year, the Falcons seem likely to carry three tight ends who only know how to do half of the equation. They may well be solid enough, but that's not scaring anyone else in the league.

So the Falcon goal should probably be to determine whether Milner can become that tight end; if he can't, the team ought to be looking hard for one who can in next year's draft. Hartsock's job may well be safe as long as Mularkey is in town, given his skillset, but Zinger is also a question mark.

I just don't see this being a strong part of the team next season.

 


 

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Uh, yeah

Not the brightest of outlooks for the TE position although I do think Hartstock will prove pretty valuable for the new system. I think we also need to contextualize the TE position. It’s been a pretty sexy position (huh huh) for the last couple of years thanks to the proliferation of Antonio Gates/Jason Witten/Kellen Winslow II. Our latest batch of TE’s just have to get used to the unsexyness of a blocking TE.

Sexy tight end position? Dr Freud…. Dr Freud…. paging Dr Freud. You are needed in this thread STAT!

In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.

by runningback on Jul 1, 2008 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK for now

Our TEs indeed seem a good fit for a scheme that doesn’t ask them to catch & run a lot (talk about damning with faint praise). It’s not much, but it’s a step forward for the Falcons when the scheme meshes with the personnel.

This team has so many problems that acquiring a premium TE (thru draft or FA) had better be a very low priority for a while. Unless we can upgrade on the cheap, let’s use our finite resources elsewhere. Please.

"There's no such word as 'quit' in swamp buggy racing, Marigold"

by tom slick on Jul 1, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And here we are again

Doesn’t this just solidify the fact that releasing Crumpler was a mistake? You had the complete package and you knew he would do whatever he was asked to do for this team. And it’s not like you can say we really flipped the switch offensively from a TE point of view. Atlanta has been one of the most prolific running teams over the past few years with last year being the notable exception, so it’s not like Crump would have been doing much different in Mike Smith’s run heavy offense.

In fact, one could argue that having Crump around would have been much better suited to the sucess of the offense because of the relative suck that we have standing behind center and the overall terribad offensive line we would be sending out, giving said QB’s a much more gifted and talented safety outlet for the times we did decide to pass. It seems really clear to me that the only reason we cut some of the players we did was to make room for a $72 million rookie deal that has more chances than not to blow up in our faces.

Yeah, I’m spinning it that way and yeah, I’m going to continue to bring it up until everything works out and we win the Superbowl with this management and coaching staff. Call my cynical, but I don’t see that one happening.

That being said though, I have to agree with our current state at the TE position. It sucks. Not that it matters much as it doesn’t seem to be a position of importance. But isn’t it a possibility that it’s only non-important because we lack the talent to make it important?

by Jesse28 on Jul 1, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Continuation

I guess I will supplement my last post with the following. Given a skill player of great talent and ability would you completely disregard them just because you aren’t used to utilizing that position very often? The only way to be successful is to have the ability to adapt and chage your ways to the current situation taking all things into account, not just your opposition, but also your assests. This philosophy is true in all ventures of life. To have a T.O. and not throw the ball is dumb, and no I’m not trying to equat Crumpler to T.O., but the underlying point still remains.

The Falcons had no offensive superstar once we lost Vick. Crumpler was the next best thing, and sure, I understand he was injured, but since when did that stop anyone from coming back and being a great assest again. T.O. would be another great example of that. Vick fits that mold as well.

The only thing that wipes away the memories of past losses are the winnings of the present. So, I guess I am harping on it a little, but I just think that until things change that it should be remembered and discussed along with what we have now. I do not think that it should be disregarded entirely.

And if in November we are sitting around 5-6 wins, then I can almost gaurantee you that this will all be a distant memory, haha!

by Jesse28 on Jul 1, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a thought

Allow me to dust off my keyboard….AND GO.

A well recognized fact around here is that the current state of our offensive line is extremely underwhelming. For this very reason it comforts me to know that Hartstock and Zinger ( greatest last name on the team, any time this guy does anything, his last name will suffice as a superlative) are two extremely competent blockers whose presence along the line will greatly aid the offensive tackles. Smith & Mularkey have talked about installing a power running game, which would suggest alot of two tight end sets.

The counterpoint is that with both hartstock & zinger on the line defenses will be able to gear up for the run; this is true and could prove disasterous, however is Roddy & Laurent are able to regularly win their matchups then our bookend blockign tightends could prove to be great assets.

Finally, don’t overlook the need to help out Sam Baker / Foster, and how important it is to keep Mr. Baker’s confidence up, having a capable blocking aid helping to slow down opposing pass rushers.

by Hamburger on Jul 1, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why won't we get Jeremy Shockey!?

Im still trying to figure out why we r not trying to get Shockey. HE is a huge play maker that you can always count on, he is not happy in New York, and I dont think New York really wants him now that Kevin Boss has stepped up . Come on, are we blind? This is our shot to fill that huge hole we have. Plus we all know all we have to do is throw some money at him, and he will come with open arms. PLEASE, lets not screw this up!

It gets me how nothing gets me or gets to me, and If you shootin fo the stars then just shoot me. - Lil Wayne

by KillaBMF on Jul 10, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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