Jimmy Williams Trying Hard To Lose His Job And Other Stuff

by Dave the Falconer on May 13, 2008 11:07 AM EDT in News Comment 14 comments

Sometimes you get the feeling a player just isn't interested in taking one for the team. This player might, I dunno, allegedly smoke him some weed, not show up for a mini-camp, then show up 15 pounds overweight. You know, hypothetically.

Or maybe Jimmy Williams is doing it.

I don't want to cast aspersions on Jimmy's character, but I do think it's time the team starts exploring a trade for him. With Coleman, Milloy, DeCoud, Stone and the pupu platter in front of him, a guy who reports to camp overweight and seems indifferent about it clearly isn't going to make a big contribution. I think it's time to see if the Falcons can get some kind of late round draft pick for him. Failing that, maybe getting him down to his playing weight and disciplining him would make him a little more motivated.

In other news:

Aaron at FalcFans has a nice piece up on how a holdout from Matty Ice might affect the team. I don't think such a holdout is particularly likely given Blank's desire to get this done, but the team does have to work within the rookie pool. I'd give it a read and file it away as a nightmare scenario.
Given our weakness at defensive tackle, I wouldn't mind the Falcons bringing recently released DT Josh Muse in for a look. He's got decent size and strength for a guy who was only an undrafted rookie, and we could use help there that might have some potential.
As tom slick pointed out in his timely fanpost, Joe Horn wants out of Atlanta if he's going to be a third or fourth receiver. While I agree that his veteran presence was a nice thing to have, I wouldn't have trusted Horn to catch one of those gigantic beach balls last year. As is the case with Williams, we shouldn't be keeping guys around who aren't interested in fitting in with this time. Time to trade him and wish him well.

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Wait a minute

Joe Horn is with the Falcons? Really? (end sarcasm)

by Skeller on May 13, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Give Fat Jimmy a break!

The poor guy only made $2.7M last year, and for that pittance the Falcons expect him to show up, get in shape, AND give a rat’s ass about his job? The nerve of them!

Fat Boy’s indifference is so screamingly obvious that his market value is probably pretty low right now. Even a 6th or 7th rounder is better than dead wood, though.

"There's no such word as 'quit' in swamp buggy racing, Marigold"

by tom slick on May 13, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This stuff goes back to Virginia Tech

First, this guy isn’t a rocket scientist.. He bought a $300,000 car BEFORE he was drafted, then after he slipped in the draft he was still talking about that car, using a great portion of his signing bonus. Then of course he does a cheap shot in the bowl game against Louisville and gets kicked out of the game. Character issues are what brought him lower in the draft. We now see why.
You have to wonder what gets into the mind of a guy who gets to do what very few are capable of doing.

by Joshie on May 13, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lazy

I went to training camp a year ago and I must say that his demeanor wasn’t the greatest. In fact it was that of a dude who just didn’t want to be there. Aside from Joe Horn’s awesome attitude during some receiving drills, that is what stuck with me the most.

In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.

by runningback on May 14, 2008 3:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

A false sense of entitlement.

A lot of these guys have a false sense of entitlement, which leads to their bad attitudes and overall laziness. You have to remember that a good majority of these players have had nothing to lean on to outside of their physical talents and abilities. And from the time they outran everyone on the field in Jr High, or sooner, they have been coddled and primped because or that athletic gift. After nearly a decade of that kind of treatment where everything is handed to you and having your problems constantly swept under a rug, be it bad grades being changed to passing grades, drugs, or worse, it’s obvious to see why they feel like it should continue once arriving in the NFL.

Unfortunately for them most teams will not put up with much of that crap unless those same athletic gifts and talents are still better than everyone else on the field, which in the NFL is a true rarity.

I will say that it does seem like an odd coincidence that we have had three VT players with some character issues on our team so far. Maybe Beamer likes have dirty players to help him win games, lol.

by Jesse28 on May 14, 2008 7:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I Disagree

Joe Horn is a class act. He came to the Falcons because Blank promised him he’d be a role player. That hasn’t come to fruition. Now, that may be Joe’s fault, he has lost about 4-5 steps. But, at the end of the day, he doesn’t even compare to T.O. or Ocho Cinco. I think if the front office would have given him some sort of indication that he was on his way out prior to this first mini camp, he would have probably tried to resolve this before now. Bottom line: He has endured a lot since being here and he is not the “sense of entitlement” player that one would normally think of. I say give him his release and wish him well.

"You never know what I'm going to do..."
- Michael Vick (Palm Beach Post 11/6/2005)

by jamesrael on May 14, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody's denigrating Joe Horn in this thread...

I think the negative comments in this thread were about Jimmy Williams, not Horn.

"There's no such word as 'quit' in swamp buggy racing, Marigold"

by tom slick on May 14, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, definitely not talking about Horn

As he clearly did not go to VT. My comment is directed at Jimmy Williams, D-Hall, Vick, PacMan, Henry, Thurman, guys like that. The ones that are considered problem childs for their respective teams.

by Jesse28 on May 15, 2008 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stereotypical ghetto-raised drafted player

1) has physical talent out the wazoo, may work hard at first, but laziness takes over 2) gets the gold chains 3) gets the expensive car 4) supports mama, posse, an assortment of friends, relatives, and hangers on many of whom move to the NFL city with him 5) uses a relative or posse member as his manager. (Manager is never the old white Bill Cayton variety) 6) never buys stocks, bonds, mutual funds, or real estate 7) Manager dupes him, posse betrays him, goes broke, does drugs, commits crime, does time, tries comeback, washed up.
How many have followed this pattern? Doesn’t John Elway still make the rounds giving financial seminars to rookies? What the hell’s wrong that these guys never learn?

by Joshie on May 14, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmm...

So what are you saying? There aren’t any NFL players who weren’t raised in the ghetto who act this way? The air of “entitlement” that Jesse28 is referring to transcends raise, socioeconomic status, and age. It is a product of the system. Prospects are hyped from a young age and, of course, some of it goes to their heads (for some more than others). It doesn’t matter if you are white, black, green, purple, or orange. Your allusions to “gold chains,” “posses,” and “[supporting] mama” are offensive and ignorant. I am not intending to get personal, I am just trying to give you a heads up about how some people might perceive your comments.

Oh, and my bad about the Horn comment, I had the fanposts mixed up.

"You never know what I'm going to do..."
- Michael Vick (Palm Beach Post 11/6/2005)

by jamesrael on May 15, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I read that and read it again and I still can’t believe someone put it out like that. Those comments reek of ignorance and bigotry, neither of which have any place here on this site. I could at this point just as easily fall into this guys’ game and spout off some sweeping stereotypes about the people who usually have this kind of mindset, but then I would be no less ignorant than he his. I will say this though, if anyone feels this way then I would strongly advise that you kindly remove yourself from this fansite as I can all but gaurantee that you are not welcome here. Racism is not welcome here.

The biggest downfall of the NFL, and all pro sports for that matter, is the copius amounts of money available to be made and, more importantly, the large amounts of money that gets thrown at the rookies. Regardless of race or ecomonic/social background and upbringing, none of these guys have ever had that amount of finacial responsibility and to put that amount of weight on these young men is just begging for problems. Obviously there are risks with specific profiles, just as there are with anything, but that does not mean that by default those individuals who fall under those specific profiles will all turn those risks into reality. All people are products of their environment to a ceratin degree, but at no time does that mean that they can not break from the norm and become what most in their environment only dream of. If not we wouldn’t have some of the greatest people in history. Things are never simply black and white, they are however always colored with the whole spectrum.

And Jamesrael, I think that comments such as these should always be taken personally my friend. Honestly, I don’t think anyone would disagree with it if you did either. Lets hope this was an error in judgement or clarity and not the true beliefs of the poster.

by Jesse28 on May 16, 2008 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Notice I never mentioned race.

You made the racial inference by using the term bigot. This tells me you’ve thought of these things on your own. Only a moron would pretend this scenario ever happened to any athlete. Sorry, but I don’t buy into the liberal PC crap. I’m into the truth. Everybody in here knows multiple examples of what I’m talking about. People who spew “racism” charges demean and diminish true racist actions, and make it that much harder for victims of true racsim. So if you are one of those who won’t look at the truth because it makes you feel better to act self-righteous instead, then I suggest YOU leave the forum. Got it?

Now that I’ve taken care of that bit of unpleasant but necessary housecleaning….back to the point. We have a Virginia Tech—Atlanta Falcons conduit for some of the players who fall into the above-described situation.. (I live 40 minutes from Tech) For some reason, Beamer recruits this kind of player. There are just too many to name. Yesterday another one of his star recruits, Peter Rose, a speedy quarterback (whom my son happened to play against last season) was arrested at his high school for selling marijuana. I love Tech, but it’s making me wonder if Beamer is so blinded by talent, that he lets the character issues slide. Seems like the Falcons are guilty of the same thing.

by Joshie on May 17, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I keep seeing the word ignorant.

This implies that the scenario I laid out hasn’t happened. And to answer your question, of course I’m not saying all NFL players from the ghetto act this way. Did you read any place in my post where I said that? Howie Long is an excellent example of a ghetto-raised player who didn’t fall into this situation. Lyle Alzado is a caucasian player from the ghetto who fit the above description in a number of ways.

by Joshie on May 17, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs