'09 Draft
OK ... so I know a lot of you may be opposed to this. If you are, just ignore this post and go on your merry way. But I can't really get enough Falcons-related content. So for you Falcons junkies (i.e., the ones who aren't completely satisfied w/ the Falcons-related articles found on the Falcons website, ajc.com, etc.) Let's talk about a little topic most people aren't thinking about yet.
DRAFT '09
Any early thoughts?
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My thoughts
1st rd: I think we need to build for the future along our O and D lines. I think drafting Terrence Cody (DT) out of Bama would be a great start.
2nd rd: Go after Dannell Ellerbe (ILB) in the 2nd round. Brooking’s replacement (in my heart … you let Brooking stick around for another season) I would hope.
3rd rd: Draft Antoine Caldwell © out of Bama. Building our lines for the future.
4th rd: Pat White (QB) out of West Virginia. I am going out on a limb here, but he could be a long-term backup option for Ryan. Maybe I just miss a little bit (don’t know why), but it’d be nice to have someone w/ his running ability on the team. Many of you will say we already have Shock, so what’s the point. I love Shock, but I think we could convert White into a WR/kick returning option to complement Harry Douglas. Can you imagine those two speedsters on our roster? QB or WR, he’s a great athlete and I think a fourth round pick would be well spent on him if he’s still around.
5th rd: Jeff Byers (C/G) out of USC. Again, building our line for the future. They pulled it off this year, but they’ll all be another year older/fatter by next September (w/ the exception of Clabo/Blaylock/Baker).
6th rd: Antonio Dixon (DT) out of Miami. He’s a big boy and he might be able to step into Grady’s spot w/ a little coaching. Or at least spot Trey Lewis (when he gets healthy) from time to time).
7th rd: Brannan Southerland (FB) out of GA. He’s a bull dog, so yeah, I’m biased. I think he could be a decent special teamer. He’s a better option that Snelling, I’m sure of it.
7th rd:
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by FrankyWren on
Dec 1, 2008 10:59 PM EST
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I love Ellerbe, but
David Hale, who covers UGA for the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer, spoke with Todd McShay about some of Georgia’s seniors and potential draftees and McShay said this about Ellerbe:
“I worry about his instincts a little bit, and I worry about the fact that he tries to run around a block sometimes rather than taking him on, but he’s a very good athlete and his size-speed ratio is huge. If he’s healthy and his workout he can do at 100 percent, there’s a lot to like about a guy who runs a 4.6 at 6-1, 245. I think he will be helped by the workout process, but the injuries kind of counterbalance that. I think when teams look at him, they’ll see maybe a third, possibly a fourth-rounder because of the instincts.”
Now, anybody with any association with the WWL I greet with a level of distrust, but I agree with him on this one. Ellerbe’s got raw talent, no doubt about that, but the key word is raw. Raw from some unsharpened skills and raw from injury. I think he could be good, but I’m with McShay on this one: Ellerbe is a 3rd or 4th rounder.
by Cerbera on
Dec 2, 2008 12:33 AM EST
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Hmmm ...
That’s interesting. Well maybe that’ll scare other teams away. Then we can take him in a later round.
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by FrankyWren on
Dec 2, 2008 12:02 PM EST
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Quick thoughts
1- Totally agree on Cody. The kid is going to be a beast, and that may well be the greatest position of need on our entire team.
2- Not so much a fan of picking up Pat White. I’d rather keep Shock/Redman and the flavor of the day around as backups rather than invest a pick at QB that high up. I could see us taking Byers this high, as I really like the kid.
3- I’m with you on Southerland as well. I think Snelling’s actually the better runner, but Southerland may fit better with the “everybody block!” philosophy Smitty & Co. have employed.
by Dave the Falconer on
Dec 2, 2008 1:06 AM EST
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As a Bama fan,
I can guarantee Cody won’t be draftable until ‘10. He’s confirmed he’s coming back for his senior year. But man, if we could land him when he does enter the draft…heaven.
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by tlozwarlock on
Dec 2, 2008 1:36 AM EST
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I like Shock too
But he’s hurt again. And he hasn’t played all year. He’s a good guy … but his durability is lacking. As a third stringer, he doesn’t bring much to the equation. I say we draft White. If he lacks the QB skills to cut it as our backup, we make him into a Antwan Randle-El type player.
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by FrankyWren on
Dec 2, 2008 12:03 PM EST
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UGA Defense
I’m not drafting anyone from GA’s defense this year, IMO. I’ve never seen a more talented bunch with less discipline. In my mind that makes every GA defensive player AT LEAST a project to undo the bad habits they’ve shown all year long.
And I’m a UGA fan. This defense was ridiculously bad. Their tackling was awful, and they were often penalized. I don’t want anything to do with that.
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by iRonin on
Dec 2, 2008 12:11 PM EST
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Hmm ...
So they are a no-talent bunch? They have no hope. No. 1 team during the pre-season, and now all these guys have no potential? I don’t know man. I’d say some of ’em must be usable.
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by jamesrael on
Dec 2, 2008 8:14 PM EST
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It's like he said
I wouldn’t put it past them to be project picks. They’ve got talent but its unfocused. This season made it apparent that some serious un-learning had gone down in Athens, and they’d need to be coached up quite a bit, I think.
I’m going to cut off here because I’m getting dangerously close to a topic I get incensed about easily and sends me off on wild tangents because Marti-…. No. Not today.
by Cerbera on
Dec 2, 2008 8:21 PM EST
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Tackling.
It was awful. For the entire team. At the NFL level you shouldn’t have to be teaching people to “wrap up.” I don’t imagine they spend a whole lot of time on it in practice, and if they do, it’s probably embarrassing to the players, like a punishment for a poor tackling game.
The Georgia defense had a poor tackling SEASON. They’ve got to be re-taught to tackle. I’m sure lowering their shoulder made for “oohs” and “aahs” at Georgia High School, but in college and certainly in the NFL, it’s nothing. Imagine some of that tackling on Adrian Peterson. Seriously. Peterson would break his previous single-game rushing record.
Those guys have to lean to tackle, I wouldn’t take any one of them higher than the 5th round.
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by iRonin on
Dec 3, 2008 9:19 AM EST
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The UGA D is talented
They just seem to be uninterested and poorly coached.
by SG Standard on
Dec 3, 2008 12:04 PM EST
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Right
Which doesn’t mean they are undraftable.
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by FrankyWren on
Dec 3, 2008 12:18 PM EST
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BUT
It does mean that you’re going to have to spend time training them for things that other players with similar talent would already know.
If they’re there in the 5th round, then yeah, I think it’s worth the extra effort. Anything higher than that, you can find equal talent that is already further along.
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by iRonin on
Dec 3, 2008 3:32 PM EST
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Agree to disagree my friend
I believe that you can’t generalize here … essentially, saying that none of the UGA players in the draft are worth taking before the 5th round, I think that’s a little off. You disagree, which is completely valid. BUT … It seems like most team execs examine a player’s talent and potential independent of their college team’s success. I could give you an entire list of players, but here’s five:
1. Jerry Rice played college ball at Division I-AA Mississippi Valley State University
2. Grady Jackson went to Knoxville
3. Brent Grimes went to Shippensburg (spelling?)
4. Brandon “I’ll Stomp You To Death” Jacobs went to Southern Illinois
5. Ben Roethesburger (that is for sure spelled wrong) went to Miami of Ohio
Granted Grimes was top-four-rounds material. But I think the point I’m making is worth considering. Simply stated, if our scouts tell the Comrade a UGA player can contribute, I’ll welcome him with open arms. You, sir, may do as you please.
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by FrankyWren on
Dec 3, 2008 4:39 PM EST
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Good picks
Building up the lines will be key. Maybe a TE in there. Regardless of how you feel about the Dogs’ success this year (or lack thereof), Southerland and Ellerbe would be excellent pickups in the later rounds (5,6, or 7). Pat White thoughts are intriguing. I think we’ll have to see how he measures up when people starting picking apart his NFL potential.
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by jamesrael on
Dec 2, 2008 8:08 PM EST
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Somebody's fired uhhh-uuup!
At first blush, I’d favor getting help on both lines in the early rounds, also a DB or two. A sleeper TE and depth at WR would be nice too.
Thinking too specifically makes my head hurt, so I place my trust in Our Exalted Comrade. His last draft fills me with childlike awe and wonder, it looks better every passing day. Set those Countdown Clocks for April 25th, boys and girls!
by tom slick on
Dec 1, 2008 11:09 PM EST
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I agree with tom completely.
All hail tom.
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by tlozwarlock on
Dec 1, 2008 11:25 PM EST
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I second...
that motion.
If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
-Bo Jackson
by Pregame with Pabst on
Dec 2, 2008 9:47 AM EST
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I feel you on not getting specific at this point
But I must disagree w/ your analysis. Maybe draft one DB after the 3rd round, no earlier.
As for WR depth, I’d prefer us to get that through Free Agency. Or we could draft Pat White like I previously suggested.
Forget a TE sleeper! iRonin has me convinced one of our top three picks is worth using.
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by FrankyWren on
Dec 2, 2008 12:10 PM EST
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My thoughts.
We need a DT. Not just any old DT will do, we need a penetrating DT, although if Babineaux continues to improve maybe it’s not as big of a need as it first seems. Regardless the DL needs an upgrade because it HAS to get pressure. Our defense falters when there’s no pressure. Therein lies the problem with Cody, he’s not a gap shooter a la Rod Coleman, he’s more like Grady Jackson. A big immovable object who takes up space and clogs running lanes. He’d make a great replacement for Grady Jackson, and if he remains another year he’d make a great addition to the Falcons as a replacement for Grady. Biggest need is DE and DT.
I question the need for a high level replacement for DT. Foxworth has played well, we’ve also got Von Hutchins on IR, who should be back next year. Houston and Grimes have both played well IMO. Like I said, this defensive scheme requires the front-four to give pressure.
My other needs:
C- Todd McClure is the oldest member of the OL, and one of the oldest on the team. OL needs to stay together as long as possible, and it’d be good to go ahead an get young guy in there to start taking over.
Safety- More pressing needs at safety. Eric Coleman is serviceable, but I think the FS position is important in the Cover 2, and upgrading that position upgrades the entire D. At SS, there’s question about Lawyer Milloy staying or going, so a replacement is going to be needed.
Tight End- Finding a good TE is difficult and this team has a particular approach to it: Find a great blocking TE, and then see if he’s got some hands. If he’s got great hands or speed or route running, but only blocks decent, that’s no good. Get a blocker with hands, not possession with blocks.
Right Tackle- Clabo has been serviceable, and well suited to a backup role, if we could upgrade that spot, the line would be fully solid. I’ve got no gripes with Blaylock, Dahl and Baker. McClure’s just a bit old, and Clabo has been not necessarily the “weak” link because the line has played well, but he’s the “weakest” link in my mind.
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by iRonin on
Dec 2, 2008 7:28 AM EST
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I actually agree w/ you re: help at safety and TE
We could maybe spend that second round pick on the TE of the future.
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by FrankyWren on
Dec 2, 2008 12:04 PM EST
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A few points
First of all, please keep the UGA talk to a minimum. I come here so I can focus on all that is right and wonderful in the Realm of Football, not that which disappoints me and makes me want to punch stuff. Grrrrrrrrr.
Moving on, I can’t see the Falcons going for Southerland, or any fullback for that matter. They gave Ovie the biggest contract for a fullback ever and really don’t need to draft another. Southerland will make a hell of a pro, I just don’t think it will be for the Falcons.
As said above, DT should be the top priority. Not just a big body like Jackson, but somebody who can be disruptive in the middle, like Rod Coleman was. Of course, if they sign Albert Haynesworth (PLEASE!!!!), then this becomes totally and wonderfully moot. After that, I would look at a linebacker to replace Brooking with as soon as possible, a blocking TE with decent hands, and help at safety and maybe a bigger, more physical cornerback than we have on the roster. Parts of the offensive line are getting up there in age and the team will need to upgrade there sooner rather than later, but I think there are more urgent matters to take care of this year.
by SG Standard on
Dec 2, 2008 2:54 PM EST
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Nicholas?
Do you think Nicholas can take over for Brooking? He’s been a solid pickup IIRC.
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by iRonin on
Dec 2, 2008 4:53 PM EST
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Yes!!
I think so, but the fact that Nicholas hasn’t gotten more playing time already makes me think the coaches know something I don’t. Brooking is a complete and total liability on passing downs and is guilty of more overpursuing and bad tackling than anybody on the team. The sooner he is gone, the better our defense will be. But if the coaches think that Nicholas can’t cut it, we should spend a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a OLB.
by SG Standard on
Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM EST
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How do you feel about
grabbing a DE and moving him to OLB? I don’t have a real strong opinion on it, but I’ve heard something about moving guys like George Selvie or Brian Orakpo to OLB. Selvie, especially, is a pass rush demon.
by Cerbera on
Dec 2, 2008 8:23 PM EST
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Not with a first or second rounder
I wouldn’t want to mess with moving a player to a new position with a first day pick. There are too many places to fill without drafting a project playing a brand new position. If they wanted to move a pass rusher to OLB, Bierman would have been a great candidate for it. But at that position, we will need somebody who can do more than pass rush. Coverage is key. That is what makes Boley so valuable. Having him out there is like having another defensive back. That is the main reason why Brooking must go.
by SG Standard on
Dec 3, 2008 12:07 PM EST
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NO!
Brooking is the man! He’ll start forever! (tear) Dang, I need a genie.
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- Michael Vick (Palm Beach Post 11/6/2005)
by jamesrael on
Dec 2, 2008 8:17 PM EST
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to be honest
if we do go olb early. id like to get brian cushing from usc. hes probably a 2nd or 3rd rounder with 1st round ability.
by iloveroddywhite on
Dec 2, 2008 8:19 PM EST
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I totally agree
Cushing has the size already. Put 10 more pounds of muscle on him and you have an excellent replacement for Brooking.
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by FrankyWren on
Dec 2, 2008 8:32 PM EST
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